Mt Bachelor, May 13-14, 2025

snowave

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This is way more of a report than neccesary for a quick 2 day jaunt in pretty crappy conditions, but here it is anyway.


So I got a new snowboard at the end of season deals, and thought I'd take a peak at Mt. Bachelor's page to see if they had any deals going on so I could find an excuse to drive the 6 hrs over from ID. Thankfully, they did... $49 lift tix, plus there was a little bit of flexibility so I got a 2/3 day option. Now it was time to look for Lodging. Again, score! Days Inn had $49 night rates that week. The only downside was the days I planned to go was about 12 days away. Looking at the long term weather outlook, there was a chance it could be cold and unsettled, but 12 days out if fantasyland, and as a weather forecaster, I knew that there was a decent chance that it could be wrong (I was hoping for the classic Bachelor corn setup).

Well, it wasn't. Sunday PM/Monday AM, Bachelor reported 8" of new snow, with reports of up to a foot around the mountain. Not all bad news, right?! (even though I was a traveling that day with a start date of Tuesday). It stayed below freezing all day, but reports were that it was still getting a bit thick.

Temps had been in the low to mid 20s overnight, so I thought it might be good first thing, so the rarity of me making first chair was gonna happen. While skies were clear in Bend, the Bachelor cloud was sitting on the mountain pretty heavy. I arrived to about 1-2" of new snow, a pretty strong NW wind, along with snow flurries, and pretty thick fog, especially 1/2 way up Pine Marten.

First few runs... The snow was kinda funky. I was a bit refrozen/chunky... but with some almost winter-like conditions on the north side of Pine Marten. I tried a going into the trees, but it was pretty thick and heavy, along with some hard stuff mixed in, so it was back to the "groomed runs" (which still has 1-2" of new snow on top of the groomed stuff). Visibility was downright awful on Pine Marten (especially with the inconsistent snow surface) so I headed over to the year old Skyliner 6 Pack. While the fog was still bad here, there was hints the sun might come out. It kinda sorta did about 3 times, but overall wasn't really much better. The snow quality was about the same, although there was some corn trying to grow on the bottom 1/4 of the runout to the base. I took about an hour break (along with many others) and had a coffee inside.

No real break in the clouds, so I went back out around 11:30 and road another hour in the same conditions. At one point, I took the Summit Crossover to the base of the Summit lift. The sun was breaking out here, but the wind was blowing about 40 mph, so obviously, it wasn't open. That was it for the day, and I headed into town to hit the ski shops for any bargains. I ended up getting a nice light/mid-weight jacket for $100 ((50% off) which I needed, which was a nice score. Dinner that night at Fire on the Mountain wings/chicken. I had had their spicy chicken sandy before, and it was just as good this time.

Wednesday was again mostly clear when I left Bend around 9:30 AM, but the Cloud was still on the mountain, thanks to the persistent N/NW wind banking the clouds up on the northern half of the mountain. I could clearly see Summit chair, but you could see the clouds racing across the top, so that wasn't a good sign. Again, temps has stayed cold overnight with a good wind continuing... however, with it being May, even below freezing temps don't always mean frozen snow... there's enough solar radiation poking through the fog/clouds to keep the surface mixed/soft.

Pine Marten was slightly less socked in, but not that much better than Tuesday. Skyliner had a little more sun, as the clouds were dissipating just to the south, so I headed over there almost immediately. Some decent corn set up on Skyliner, which was pretty much at peak when I arrived. However, still lots of intermittent fog/flurries and wind made visibility only a little better... so confidence remained low as the light was terribly flat. I did get some nice turns in through the terrain parks, thanks to the more consistent snow. Two more hours going between Pine Marten and Skyliner, then I called it a day.

Crowds both days were minimal, but a little more than I expected. I'd say about 50-70% of chairs has at least someone on it. Again, Summit never opened, as winds were reported over 100 mph at the summit. Had dinner that night at Cascade Brewing Co, which is no longer in the SW part of town on the way to the mountain. They opened up a new location on the SE part of town. Much nicer place then the old one (which was dark and poor setup), along with good food and beer. Also went to the new Costco location north of town. Really nice store, with much more room than the old one.

Overall, not a terrible trip. Getting to try my new stick was fun, and at least got an idea of how it might ride in better conditions. I left on Thursday (which was sunny even on the mountain), but still windy. I almost drove to Portland for a concert (Friday) Simple Minds/Modern English/Soft Cell at the ampitheatre, but the weather looked iffy, and I wasn't crazy about sitting outside for 3 hours in wind and possible rain.


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Juntura Hot Springs on the little island. However, the water was too high on the Malheur river, so I didn't go over to it.






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A cool lenticular cloud near Vale, OR


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A beaver had a good time with this pretty good sized Juniper.






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Pine Marten loading



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The Cone had some fresh-ish tracks from yesterdays new snow.


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I think this is Outback Way/Ed's Garden... which faces North-ish. Almost winter-like snow here.


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The trees looked more appealing than they actually were


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I don't remember this run


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Summit chairline


as seen from near the bottom terminal.



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Ed's
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my new "50% off" jacket

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Appoaching Bachelor. The southern half looks good, but those clouds banked up along the north slope is where the open lifts were.






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The sun breaking out... sorta.






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Pretty much how every ride on Pine Marten (and to a lesser extent, Skyliner) where the top 1/3 of the lift was socked in.




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2/3 Sisters as seen from Costco Parking Lot north of town



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Some relatively rare Kelvin-hemlotz clouds on the way home.
 
Some relatively rare Kelvin-hemlotz clouds on the way home.
I have never noticed those. They are caused by wind shear, so Bachelor and Mammoth should be good places to see them.

I hope snowave takes my comments constructively because I have been there and done that the first time I tried to take Liz to Bachelor for spring skiing in 2014. Those days were a little better than snowave's because Northwest was open some of the time. There was a third day with Summit open but Northwest had a mechanical failure. We tried again for 4 days in 2018, with mixed results, Summit open 2 out of 4 days but not the widespread corn I'm looking for.

The above has pushed me to flexibility and driving in 2021 and 2025 even though it's a12 hour+ total drive one way for us.

If I lived where snowave does, I'd be at Bachelor every spring, probably more than once. His distance is 6+ hours, not much more than mine to Mammoth. He could make the call on 3-5 days notice, with weather forecast reliability.

It does not make sense to give up the flexibility given Bachelor's fickle weather history to save a few bucks. Bend is not an expensive ski destination for lodging like Mammoth or practically the whole state of Colorado. Decent midweek hotels with amenities are under $150 a night and I suspect the cheap places more like $100. Maybe that doesn't sound cheap, but the post COVID inflation has definitely hit hotel pricing, so Bend remains a good value in the ski world. Bachelor also sells its unlimited spring pass for $350, good starting April 1, and from McCall it should be easy to get in two trips over a ~6 week period and say 6 ski days to make that pass a good deal too.

The other consideration with Bachelor is its phase down of operations in the spring. It's 100% open with 4PM close through the third weekend of April nearly all seasons, so scoring a corn window during that time frame is the ideal.

The cutback to 1:30 closing is an annoyance but doesn't preclude a lot of excellent skiing as on our trip this year. The hours cutback was after third weekend of April in 2025 though in some years it's been later. The closing of Cloudchaser and Northwest is a bigger deal because that takes the magnificent backside ungroomed corn off the table. That date was second weekend of May this year, typical but can be earlier. I wouldn't make the drive from SoCal after that, but if I lived as close as snowave I wouldn't rule it out.

Bachelor announces the cutback dates of both closing time and Cloudchaser/Northwest early in the spring, so you know the parameters before you commit to that spring pass. The pass is not a concern for us because Bachelor is on Ikon.
 
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You captured some beautiful images. Ski conditions in May are always hit or miss. Enjoy the good days and roll with the less than good days. And of course, most of the country is done by then.
I've skied 8 days this May in Utah, 7 at Snowbird, 1 at Brighton. 5 of those days were quite good, at least for 3 hours or so. The others were good-for-me type conditions :icon-lol:
I think I'll get one more ski day this weekend, then I prepare to drive East for the off-season a few days later. They are calling for 6-10 inches Saturday night into Sunday:eusa-dance:
 
TonyC. I've gotten the 4 pack ($399) a couple times in the ~6 yrs we've lived here, and I usually make the call less than a week out, (unless the wife comes - petsitter, etc). We try to go once in midwinter, and once in spring, usually before the seasonal closures if we can help it. As I said, this trip was not at all on the radar, but the stars aligned with the insanely low prices for tickets and lodging even though it was 12 days out. I honestly wouldn't have gone even it it were double those amounts, as I just forked out some $ for a new board. Wife only gives me so much of an allowance!


As much as I enjoy a few days of spring skiing, I'm not inclined to make the 6 hr drive for a couple/few hours riding a day more than once or two. Also, generally not worth the spring pass... especially after paying for Brundage, Tamarack and the Indy season passes.
 
I'm not inclined to make the 6 hr drive for a couple/few hours riding a day
This is not my experience. My only 30K vertical days this season were April 29 and May 9 at Mammoth, both with 2PM closings. The 3 days at Bachelor were about 4 hours each, but all over 20K and each day 80+% ideal corn by following the exposures appropriately. YMMV but qualitatively all of these were among the better days of my season. Maybe snowave is getting whole lot of powder at Brundage and Tamarack, which are low skier density ski areas that had excellent snow years in 2024-25. Bachelor is also low density, one of the reasons you can count on that corn when the weather is cooperative.
Wife only gives me so much of an allowance!
Liz started lobbying for a spring Oregon trip as soon as we found out that her first choice for late April, northern Norway, was having a poor snow year. If snowave's wife is a casual intermediate, it's hard to imagine more ideal skiing than Bachelor groomer corn on a sunny spring day.

jimk: Ski conditions in May are always hit or miss.
They are more hit or miss at Snowbird than at Mammoth or Bachelor. Nonetheless jimk is so close I'm sure he can pick the right days.
 
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This past winter was by far the best season I've had since I moved to Idaho back in 2019. In fact, it's probably have been the best season I've had in a decade or more. Part of that was the snow of course, but I also lost 30 lbs this past summer/fall, which has made a huge difference. In addition, I've got 2 amazing boards (make that 3, now) that really suit my style of riding in most conditions, so there's that as well.

Spring riding to me has always been go ride a couple hours at peak corn conditions, then go do something else out of the snow in the afternoon. Sure, you can sometimes milk more with sun exposure, etc. However, I've never felt the need to push it, as spring skiing conditions are probably the most injury-prone time of year, and not worth it to me.

I suspect a big part of this argument is I'm not quite as obsessive about skiing as you are, and two... since I live very close to two ski areas and my commitment to riding is minimal... I can go for an hour or two if I want, and it's no big deal... whereas you have a ~5 hr trip to Mammoth ... and/or at least 2 hours to Big Bear/Mt. High. Baldy of course would be less.

btw, are you planning to stay in Socal? I would think you'd like to be somewhere outside the city since you enjoy skiing so much and you're retired. I can't remember if Liz is retired or not.
 
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btw, are you planning to stay in Socal? I would think you'd like to be somewhere outside the city since you enjoy skiing so much and you're retired. I can't remember if Liz is retired or not.
Since I've stayed here through the peak ski retirement years, it seems highly unlikely I would move now at age 72. Liz was doing contract work when we met and that dried up around 2015 IIRC.

We are a little different because we value new and varied experiences so much. I doubt either one of us would prefer skiing 60-70 days a year all in the same place, even if it was LCC like jimk or former admin. No season is complete without adding a few new places to the list. The recurring places I really like, Iron Blosam and Canada cat skiing, are fine for one week per year. I've averaged 29 different areas skied per season since retiring, which is evidently rare in North America though easy to do much more than that for the Euros. James will no doubt demonstrate that in a few years.

It's taken a while to get through to me why other people have less enthusiasm for spring skiing. Mammoth and Bachelor are really that consistently good relative to nearly anywhere else, and most people don't have as easy drive access to one of them as snowave and I do.

I've always thought second homes were expensive. Carrying costs would be not that different from our travel budget, and again we wouldn't want to feel pressured to take most of our vacations to the same place. If you are a travel junkie, living in a big metro area with high airline competition is a plus, as James has noted is true for NYC metro as well.

As for where I am, I've been here 41 years, so have low Prop 13 taxes to offset other CA taxes that are high. And I'm a 40% Dodger season ticket holder since 1979, currently enjoying a golden age for that pastime.
 
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spring skiing conditions are probably the most injury-prone time of year
Not sure why that would be. Is there data to support that? Collisions seem to be the hot injury topic these days, and skier density is lower in the spring IMHO. I'd vote for the high density early season WROD as the most dangerous.
 
I skied crappy little Mid-Atlantic ski areas for 50 years - and loved them:)
The idea of skiing a handful of very nice larger ski areas for the rest of my golden years is appealing, especially if I can conveniently ski them for 3 or 4 hours, 3 or 4 days per week. Every ski day is a gift at this stage when the logistics of skiing almost require more exertion (mental and physical) than actually schussing down the hill.
As much as I love April in Utah I don't enjoy skiing in the spring when the snow turns very grabby. It's physically demanding and agree with @snowave that it can be hazardous or less inspiring than faster/dryer snow. Fortunately, at a place like Snowbird you can follow the sun to maximize time on good spring snow.
 
As much as I love April in Utah I don't enjoy skiing in the spring when the snow turns very grabby. It's physically demanding and agree with @snowave that it can be hazardous or less inspiring than faster/dryer snow. Fortunately, at a place like Snowbird you can follow the sun to maximize time on good spring snow.


This. The snow is often inconsistent and grabby. much more likely to catch edges than in winter snow, too.. I have had a few nasty falls over the years in spring, and I know a few others that have had some bad injuries during that time as well. I wouldn't attribute crashes with other skiers as being as big of an issue in spring.
 
It's physically demanding
Prime corn mode is the least physically demanding snow surface that I ever ski. My vertical stats back that up, and not just now in my golden years. I have 9 days over 40K lifetime and 5 of them are in April at Mt. Bachelor or Mammoth.
when the snow turns very grabby.
I will generally call it a day. But that's rarely any earlier than 4 hours and 20+K vertical at Mt. Bachelor or Mammoth.

To get in a full day in ideal corn you generally need groomers open with varied altitudes/exposures and enough of them so that skier traffic doesn't destroy the corn in short order or prevent it from forming in the first place. Mammoth gets an extra advantage here because the runs being used by racers are generally roped off until 11AM, so some of the best corn is for the next hour after that.

Past noon you need something where the softening is naturally delayed some. At Bachelor that's the due west facing Northwest lift, which had pristine corn on its groomers at its 1PM closing all 3 days we there this year. At Mammoth that's some of the upper steeps, particularly the Wipe Out side of chair 23. With ungroomed terrain you need the snow to settle and smooth out after the most recent storm, which it had not yet done April 29-30, but had by May 8-9.

Snowbird is highly dependent upon the ungroomed, and with its more frequent spring snowfalls, getting to that smoothed out stage is not as a frequent as in CA or OR. I only have one Snowbird TR in late spring, May 15, 2005. It was a huge snowpack and the day definitely had its highlights, but some of the snow was not consolidated yet.

That 2005 snowpack at Snowbird hit its peak corn phase June 4-5 according to former admin.
Former admin had just arrived in Utah in January 2005. He and MarcC were not the jaded locals then that many of you remember from later years. He was very enthusiastic and took lots of pictures.
 
The corn snow debates on this forum also date back to 2005.

2004-05 was a new benchmark season for me as it was for former admin in his move to Utah. It was my first season after divorce and Ullr smiled upon me with early snow dumps and an October start to the season. I ended up with my first 12 month season and then record 48 days and 965K vertical.

My April and May weekends at Mammoth started with fresh powder on the Saturdays and had some groomer corn on the Sundays.
 
That was such a great year. I remember taking a few runs at Waterman around Halloween. (cheated, as I was in my USFS uniform and Todd let me go up for a run as he was working on the lift).

Re Bachelor: I went ahead and picked up 4 packs to Bachelor for the wife and I for next season. Although the price went up again to $419, (which was more than I was willing to spend) they offered an extra day if you bought early, so 5 days was worth it I think. One 3 day midwinter trip, and a 2 day spring trip.
 
One 3 day midwinter trip, and a 2 day spring trip.
With your reasonable driving distance, you should be able to cherry pick weather forecasts on short enough notice to get days with Summit open for both trips and favorable clear weather in spring. I predict you will not regret that purchase!
 
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