Pandemic Disney World, FL, Aug. 21, 27, 2020

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Florida generally let its counties make their own rules regarding pandemic precautions. These ranged from most strict in the Florida Keys to minimal in some rural counties. Pinellas, where Liz' mother Laura lives, was not too different from much of California except for allowing restaurants to have 50% of indoor capacity open. Liz and I always brought home takeout in Pinellas but did eat in some restaurants on our travels elsewhere in Florida.

Universal Studios Florida reopened in early June, and I read that some of the procedures there were a bit confusing. Disney reopened two of its four theme parks July 11 and the other two July 15. A couple of weeks later I read an article in the Atlantic by a reporter they sent to Disney Florida. This guy was not a fan of theme parks and found the experience "weird." But he also found the extreme level of organization "like Singapore," which I viewed as a big positive in terms of virus safety. I also viewed the drastically reduced capacity as a rare opportunity to avoid the massive ride waiting times routine before COVID-19.

Accordingly we made advance reservations for Animal Kingdom Aug. 21 and Hollywood Studios Aug. 26. Unlike at home, Disney's Florida clientele is mostly destination visitors. With long distance travel reduced and most schools back in session, only Hollywood Studios was selling out its reservations in advance, and even in that case only on weekends more than one day ahead.

Driving toward Orlando, this electrical tower reminds people where they are.
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August procedure was to open each park for 10 hours per day, with opening times staggered from 8AM to 11AM. A bit of research showed that it's best to show up 45 minutes before stated opening as parking opens about half an hour ahead. Early parkers are socially distanced.
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The spaces are filled in by later arrivals. When we walked to the entrance we were allowed in immediately, starting with temperature check here.
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Next at Animal Kingdom was security, then the ticket window where we picked up admission cards that were also good for our Hollywood Studios reservation the next week. After going through admission we made it to the entrance of Flight Over Pandora just before 8AM.
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Animal Kingdom was a spectacular success. After the Navi river ride, we had an encore on Flight Over Pandora with essentially no wait for an attraction than routinely ran 2+ hour lines before the pandemic.
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Depending on configuration, rides ran between ½ and ¾ capacity, with spacing between family groups and either empty rows or plexiglass partitions between them. Interior mazes and queues were socially distanced.
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On some rides it’s natural to grip handrails, so we got in the habit of using the hand sanitizers at the exit to each attraction.

Even the weather cooperated. It was very humid with my glasses fogging some in the morning but the sun did not come out until noon. The animals on the Kilimanjaro Safari ride and the Africa and Asia walkthroughs were mostly visible, with some such as the gorillas and male tiger being quite active.
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Live animal attractions were a highly curated version of a zoo; focusing on popular and/or endangered species in more expansive habitats. The bird show also featured rare species such as the Andean condor and the grey crested crane from Uganda.
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Expedition Everest is the best thrill ride, a higher tech version of Disneyland’s Matterhorn. That was the only place we had a 10-minute wait due to a pause for sanitizing.
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The stands in the foreground are for a water show, which like parades, stage shows, character meet-and-greets and fireworks was closed to prevent the inevitable crowding at such events. So for those who want the complete Disney experience, it's not all there. But for much reduced waiting for rides, it's an excellent time.

Disneyland California is still closed and it will be much more difficult to open IMHO. I suspect reservation demand from locals in CA would far outstrip necessary reduced capacity, as happened for skiing at A-Basin and Thredbo.

We were done with Animal Kingdom by 1:30PM, went to the previous night’s hotel for a quick swim and to change for our anniversary dinner at Bern’s steakhouse in Tampa.
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For the Animal Kingdom trip we had trialed our third caretaker for Laura, so all three were thus ready to start working when Liz and I left for home the next week. Plan A was to leave late Aug. 25 and view two space launches before and after the day at Disney Hollywood studios. First was a 2AM Delta Heavy launch of a spy recon satellite to geosynchronous orbit, followed 36 hours later by a Falcon 9 launch of an Argentine satellite into polar orbit. The latter offered the advantage of seeing the first stage return to Canaveral about 5 miles from the route 528 viewing area.

These plans did not work out. The Delta Heavy launch was first pushed forward a day. Then Laura's doctor sent her to the hospital on Aug. 25, two hours before we were set to leave. We were able to move the Hollywood Studios day to Aug. 27 and then go back to Belleaire when Laura came home by dinner that day. We drove to Port Canaveral Aug. 26 and scouted the viewing area. The launch pad was lit just before sunset.
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We got up at 1:30AM, drove back there only to learn of another delay just 10 minutes earlier. As of Sept. 27 that Delta Heavy still has not launched. The Argentine Falcon 9 eventually launched Aug. 30 after we left Florida.

We arrived Disney Hollywood Studios 9AM after researching the excellent website mousehacking.com. We were let into parking about 9:15 and were into the park before 9:30. We found employees to help with the app, then headed to Slinky Dog Dash, the only ride with queue entirely outside. That way we could try the Ride of the Resistance virtual queue at 10AM sharp. As with my son Andrew at Disneyland in February, it sold out within a minute and we failed to get on it. Park capacity is reduced, but with most rides at no more than half capacity, it’s still extremely tough to get on Rise of the Resistance, entry shown here.
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Hollywood Studios is the busiest Florida park due mainly to Star Wars Galaxy's Edge opening in 2019.
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The Millennium Falcon ride had a 35 minute line. Liz got this picture just before we boarded it.
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Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway opened only 11 days before the March shutdown and is thus another hot attraction.
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The Grauman's Chinese replica has handprints in front dating to the park's opening in the late 1980's.
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Ride waits: Mousehacking estimate/Actual:
Runaway Railway 49min/55min
Slinky Dog Dash 39/20 (first ride)
Tower of Terror 32/10
Millennium Falcon 31/35
Rock n Roller 30/10+disinfect
Toy Story Mania 15/10
Star Tours 14/5.
The wait estimates are after the July reopening. It's safe to day they were much longer before March.

All of the safety provisions we saw on Aug. 21 were in effect here too: queues marked every six feet with tape, plexiglass partitions, empty seat rows, sanitizers at entry and exit from every ride. We wore new KN95’s but there were a few thousand people so we know COVID exposure is not zero. We thought COVID exposure was probably similar to Kennedy Space Center and it was probably lower at the more spacious Animal Kingdom. Weather was hot though we got a break with clouds when were outside half an hour in the Runaway Railway line.

We were not that interested in dining in the parks other than Oga's Cantina in Galaxy's Edge. But we learned you need to reserve that about a week in advance so missed that too. We'll eventually see what we missed in Galaxy's Edge after Disneyland California reopens, especially with avid theme park fan Andrew at home now.

Liz and I finally left Florida and headed north about noon on August 28.
 
FL is tough. Need to be far enough inland to avoid hurricane storm surge, but close enough for cool beach breeze that only goes a couple miles inland. Makes me wonder what the heck Walt Disney was thinking putting the park in Orlando.
 
Makes me wonder what the heck Walt Disney was thinking putting the park in Orlando.
The internet says that Walt Disney bought 27,000 dirt cheap acres in an alligator-infested swamp "so the corporation could exercise more control than it had in Anaheim, where businesses quickly crowded around Disneyland. Florida officials OTOH were very cooperative, giving Disney near-total control over the land for zoning, utilities, and development."

My family visited Disney World in 1973, when I was a small kid. Back then, the only onsite lodging was, as shown at the beginning of the clip below, the Contemporary Resort and the Polynesian Hotel (we stayed at the latter). If you go to 6:30, you'll see the miniature Grand Prix racing cars, which were quite an experience for those of us a decade from being able to get a driver's license. Fast-forward to 2017 when my wife, son, and I went there on a day trip, the cars were (44 years later) completely unchanged, including the smoke-belching Briggs & Stratton lawnmower engines. Props to Disney for keeping it old-school!
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The internet says that Walt Disney bought 27,000 dirt cheap acres in an alligator-infested swamp "so the corporation could exercise more control than it had in Anaheim, where businesses quickly crowded around Disneyland. Florida officials OTOH were very cooperative, giving Disney near-total control over the land for zoning, utilities, and development."

My family visited Disney World in 1973, when I was a small kid. Back then, the only onsite lodging was, as shown at the beginning of the clip below, the Contemporary Resort and the Polynesian Hotel. We stayed at the latter. Hah, go to 6:30. When we went there on a day trip in 2017 (completely against my wishes), the miniature Grand Prix racing cars were, 44 years later, exactly the same, including the polluting lawn-mower engines. Props for keeping it old-school!

i remember staying at the Polynesian... we rented these little speed boats , must have been 1976 +-
 
i remember staying at the Polynesian... we rented these little speed boats , must have been 1976 +-
Even at that young age, I recall thinking how odd it was that they built a huge theme resort, including a futuristic monorail (a big thing for this train geek), in the middle of a swamp.

I was also fascinated by the Circle-Vision 360 theater that used nine cameras and screens arranged in a circle to create a 360-degree panoramic sensation for their documentary linked below titled "America the Beautiful" -- the format was pretty mindblowing for the early 70s! The film and venue were sponsored by the friendly folks at Monsanto. In retrospect, it's hard to believe the glaring disconnect between a major family-friendly resort partnering with the petrochemical purveyors of Agent Orange, PCBs, and genetically-modified crops resistant to their infamous weed killer Roundup. As Midnight Oil would ironically observe years later, "some say that's progress!"

 
Not sure if this is the right place to re-initiate a Disney vs. skiing pricing discussion? But I just read an interesting NY Times article on the expensive and complex pricing guests must endure to visit Disney World in 2025. I visited the park twice about 30 and 35 years ago when my kids were young. I also visited Disneyland many times in the 1960s as a boy living in Long Beach, CA. I have generally very fond memories of those visits, but at this time I have little interest in ever returning. However, you never know. If someday my grandkids got down on one knee and begged my wife and I to take them it could happen:sick:

Hopefully, this gift link will work so that the article can be read by all. It includes some relevant photos: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/28/...economy-middle-class-rich.html?smid=url-share

The gist of the article is that Disney World has become increasingly elitest and vacationing there is becoming almost unobtainable for middle class guests. This is nothing new and many of us skiers have been comparing the evolving expenses of skiing with places like Disney for a long time. There are several cost factors that are common to both activities, for example paying extra to cut lines.

Here are a few juicy excerpts from the NY Times article, it's actually an opinion piece titled Disney and the Decline of America's Middle Class by Daniel Currell, dated 28 Aug 2025:

[In the 2020s, however, the growing ranks of the affluent presented a profit source that could not be ignored. According to Datos Insights, in 1992 there were 88,000 households worth $20 million or more in 2022 dollars; by 2022, there were 644,000. Those who could pay almost anything for a vacation were becoming their own mass market.

1,863-square-foot King Kamehameha suite at Disney’s Polynesian Village Resort, which offers a huge bi-level great room, views of Cinderella Castle and a soaking tub, can go for $3,000 a night.

“Disney is an analytics company that happens to do movies and parks,” Mr. Testa said.

In October 2021, Disney killed its free FastPass system, upsetting many hard-core fans, and started offering ride reservations for $15 each at Disney World. Over the next three years, the line-skipping options multiplied in number and in price. Since June 2024 Disney has introduced a highly popular Lightning Lane Premier Pass; pricing varies but can easily be over $400 on a given day.

The roughly $90 to get your family cut-the-line access to a premier ride (on top of what, for a family of four, could easily be over $700 dropped on tickets) is the real Disney, the one the market created.

The lady and family featured in the NYT article visited Disney World in July 2025, and on their first of several days in Orlando they headed to Hollywood Studios, arriving at the gates by 9 a.m. The temperature had already hit 88 degrees. The family deliberately chose this time of year as the broiling weather slightly reduces both ticket costs and crowd levels.]

Bonus humor, Gaffigan on Disney:
 
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I also am glad to be done with Disney. I took my son to each of the parks about 4 years a part, the 2nd one being World in fall of 2019. Of course that only happened because my wife had a conference at one of the Disney hotels so her plane ride and the room were free as it were. That made the economics a lot more bearable for tickets, but the free 2 fast passes per day per ticket was still a thing which helped a touch. Certainly better than paying for a 2nd fast pass at exorbitant rates on top of a very pricy ticket. I thought Universal was a better deal for sure despite the easy access to Disney parks.

At Land in Cali my son was pretty young still (5 I think) and I was shocked at how pricey tickets were even then; something like $135 per person 10 or 11 years ago now.

And food is mostly meh/OK at both Disney's while costing more than ski resorts IMO. Local amusement parks are a much better bet on price to entertainment value (though food is much, much worse at local parks).

That of course compares to a trip to World when I was about 7 yrs old in the late seventies. Back then not only was it cheaper I remember my parents walking around with booklets with various colored tickets you ripped out and used to get on/in each attraction. Doing 'color' math to see if we had enough of the right colored tickets by late in the day ("hmmm, that ride takes two yellows and a green ticket, I'd rather hit these other couple of rides instead...." Not like my parents were buying more tickets, the ticket budget was what it was with 3 kids in tow). anyway I don't recall a park fee to get in, just paper ticket booklets to actually do/ride anything. Much easier to choose a spend level for your family.

That said, it all makes sense. Disney is not upping the prices randomly. Despite all the costs today they are still over-crowded and jammed with people nearly every day of every year. Of course it is also an international market to go to the US Disney resorts now too (not so much so in the 1970's). So it's also the rich from across much of the world that has heard about it and wants to try it out.
 
Lines at Disneyland the last time I was there in June 2023 make the worst lines I have experienced in many years skiing look very small. If you don't pay extra to avoid lines during busy periods you can easily wait 1 hr to get on popular rides. I was in line for Space Mountain and it said line would be an hour, then ride went down. When it came back up the Fast Line was getting 95% of the capacity with the regular line getting 5%. When I saw my line stop moving going down stairs into a crowded tunnel, I jumped the wall into empty Fast Line.

My wife's son and his family usually go when school gets out and stay in Disney property. We got the early entry from Disney lodging with them (which is ending soon) into California Adventure. Instead of getting on a lineless ride, his wife and mother-in-law wanted to stop for coffee. We were staying a 15-minute walk away for 1/10 the cost they were paying. We did join them there in PM to use pools and have a late lunch in when everything in parks got too crowded, even for them.
 
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I remember my parents walking around with booklets with various colored tickets you ripped out and used to get on/in each attraction.
Am I the only one on this Forum old enough to remember the expression "E-ticket ride," derived from the top ticket in those booklets applied to any top level entertainment experience, whether at Disney or elsewhere?

Disney World Florida is like Aspen or Vail, primarily a destination resort. Disneyland California is like AltaBird or Whistler: half the clientele is local drive up. Sometimes there are promotional rates with proof of residence in 90xxx - 93xxx zip codes. Before 2001 Disney owned only the Disneyland hotel in Anaheim. There were lots of cheap hotels not far away like tseeb used. This is why Disney bought so much land in Florida to have unlimited expansion potential for both parks and hotels. Space to build new attractions in Anaheim is very constrained; often old ones must be removed to make room.

As a kid from maybe 1958 - 1966 I went to Disneyland once a year, usually near my birthday which is in the post Thankgiving/pre-Christmas dead zone and thus was never that busy. I probably still visited at least every 2-3 years post college. With my kids in the 1990's we went once a year, usually on a Monday in May when Adam's teachers had an in-service day. As a local the rule was avoid tourist season, meaning summer vacation and especially Christmas to New Year's when the Rose Parade visitors are here.

Large SoCal companies would have family days at Disneyland. I have old e-mails showing that I attended those for Transamerica in late Octobers of 1998, 2003 and on my last visit in 2006. We have not been since Liz moved here in 2013. She says some out of town visitor will want to do it sometime, but it hasn't happened yet.

The Society of Actuaries had a meeting at the Disneyland Hotel in June 1992. We stayed there because kids were 3 and 7 at the time. That's the one time I remember Disneyland crowds being excessive, confirmed my prejudice about summer.

Florida? I first drove to newly opened Epcot in 1983 after a SOA meeting near Miami. There were SOA meetings at the Swan and Dolphin in Disney World in 1996 (I took Andrew) and 2003. I had another day at Disney Florida in 2005 with Andrew after a Caribbean cruise. I also visited Disney Sea in Tokyo in 2009 and 2011.

I enjoy the Disney theme parks, but I've been spoiled over the years not having to fight excessive crowds, and the only times I've ever stayed in a Disney hotel were on a company tab. So yes I'm put off by the overcrowding reputation in recent years, and that's why I jumped at the chance to get those two days in Florida during COVID 2020.

The pricing stratifications are all after my time. Disney Sea in Tokyo was the first time I saw Fast Passes. Universal Florida had a paid fast pass, which Liz and I used in November 2013 because we were trying to see two parks comprehensively in one day.

That said, it all makes sense. Disney is not upping the prices randomly. Despite all the costs today they are still over-crowded and jammed with people nearly every day of every year.
+1 No surprise to me. Disneyland California has variable pricing by date. Presumably the lowest prices (Tue/Wed some weeks of the year) mean lowest expected crowds, so if we go that's when it will be. And if it looks like we need to pay for line cutting to see everything we want, I would probably do that as an infrequent visitor. I have a former Transamerica colleague who is a serious Disney junkie, so I know whom to consult when the time comes.

[In the 2020s, however, the growing ranks of the affluent presented a profit source that could not be ignored. According to Datos Insights, in 1992 there were 88,000 households worth $20 million or more in 2022 dollars; by 2022, there were 644,000. Those who could pay almost anything for a vacation were becoming their own mass market.
I have been aware of this trend for some time. Our bucket list Antarctic ski cruise in 2025 is 127% higher than the price we paid in 2011 despite overall US inflation since then of 39%. Cat and heliski prices also are increasing beyond general inflation.

When jimk asked about a $100K annual wish list travel budget, I replied that nowadays most high end all inclusive guided trips are $1,000+ per person per day. Namibia June 2024 and India Feb. 2025 are our recent examples, and our one week Galapagos cruise upcoming in late November is in the same range. Certain destinations require this type of trip to do properly, and we select them accordingly. But elsewhere we are still game for running around on our own in rental cars, even in places many people would not, like South Africa and the Mexico eclipse.
 
Am I the only one on this Forum old enough to remember the expression "E-ticket ride," derived from the top ticket in those booklets applied to any top level entertainment experience, whether at Disney or elsewhere?
I'm in the same age bracket. I was six when my family was on the return journey after spending a year in Taiwan when my father was a Fulbright visiting professor in Taipei. My parents got a car when we landed in CA. That summer we spent weeks sightseeing while across the USA on the way home to New York City. Going to Disneyland was a special treat for me. My older brother was already in high school. He and my parents weren't really the theme park type. We didn't generally didn't go to amusement parks, large or small.

The E-ticket had evolved into the ticket for small rides by 1962. It was valid on my favorite ride, the Carousel. I have clear memories of using up all the E-tickets in the evening just before we left while the rest of the family watched.

Florida? I first drove to newly opened Epcot in 1983 after a SOA meeting near Miami. There were SOA meetings at the Swan and Dolphin in Disney World in 1996 (I took Andrew) and 2003. I had another day at Disney Florida in 2005 with Andrew after a Caribbean cruise.
My mother was curious enough about Epcot after it opened to go with me when I had a professional conference in Orlando in 1987. We watched the fireworks from a lakeside table at the restaurant in England. She and my father traveled extensively on multiple continents during their long lives. Both had Ph.D.s' from the Univ. of Chicago. In 1946 they returned to China to be professors.

Since my husband bought a timeshare in Kissimmee back in the early 1980s that's right next to Disney World ( a decade before I met him), we've been many times since he and I met in the early 1990s. Both of us had professional conferences at the Disney Swan/Dolphin complex more than once mostly in the 1980s and 1990s. The last time we stayed there our daughter was preschool age. It was nice to be able to take the boat over to Epcot. She probably enjoyed that as much or more than anything else we did with her that trip.

My husband used to buy "lifetime" Park Hopper tickets good for 5 visits. We still have a few left on the last batch bought when my daughter was in elementary school (before 2010). They are still honored but have to stop by Guest Services to convert to current technology. Our habit has been to pick one park for most of the day, then finish in Epcot in order to eat dinner there.

While there have been changes and additions to Disney World parks, the experience feels relatively consistent. I went a few times with my parents before college when there was just Magic Kingdom, several times as a working adult before meeting my husband, then annually for a while when our daughter was growing up. With her, we usually met up with friends or family. Still enjoy going every few years to check out new stuff during less busy periods. We used to fly, but now have the time to drive from where we live in North Carolina.

When we drove down to Florida in July 2022 with my daughter and her BF, he came back and tested positive for COVID-19. The four of us had gone to Epcot one day. The two of them went to Hollywood Studios the next day. My guess is that he probably picked up COVID-19 that day. Luckily my husband and I stayed healthy.

What's always impressed me about Disney was how efficiently the parking lot empties in the evening after the fireworks.
 
Disney World Florida is like Aspen or Vail, primarily a destination resort.
Another aspect that Disney World Florida has in common with Vail and Aspen these days is that there are many Spanish speaking tourists from Mexico or South America. Meaning families with lots of money. In addition to spending a few days at the theme parks, they also spend time doing major shopping at the outlet shopping centers.

20-30 years ago, the non-English languages I notice the most were French and German. Mainy of the families speaking French were from Québec.
 
I visited parents when Epic Universe opened this year iwith brother in May.

I looked into tickets…. Thought a ‘Fast Pass’ might be worth it. The cost per ticket was nearly $400+ Me: I thought I pressed the wrong button.

That stopped. No way!

Working in FinTech, there are so many conferences in Orlando. So I do do the theme parks on the last day/afternoon - generally they give discounted tickets.

Note: There a lot women in Finance, they just don’t always get to be CFO/VP. But those making software decisions are often female because they need to use it everyday. Disney/Universal is a nice place to bring families for a conference/long weekend.

I like the Universal Parks. They really have some impressive rides. Disney is a bit more retro - but some classics.
 
Yes, in general more leading edge tech than the ones at Universal Hollywood.

I did get to Universal Hollywood 2 years ago.

I was so excited to see the Movie Ride….but it was bad. Maybe medium.

I always saw so many pictures.

The Orlando Universal rides are a bit better.
 
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