Project 101: USA Road Trip

Side topic: I do a lot of road tripping, primarily to get to skiing, but also in the off-season for leisure purposes in my retirement. I'd get a kick out of some more detailed impressions from World Traveler about American motels, roadside restaurants and attractions, traffic, driving habits. I understand he noted how extensive our highway system is, but I haven't read his full report/blog on his US visit.

When in Switzerland recently I was very impressed with the intense use of trollies, bicycles (including e-bikes), and buses in urban areas, and of course the railway network throughout rural areas and even weaving among ski trails on the mountains (Grindelwald-Mannlichen). I stayed in downtown Bern for 3 days and during daylight hours there were electric trollies passing our hotel every 10 seconds! The ratio may have been 1 trolly for every 5 cars, and they were often full.
Don't get me going on the magnificent European ski lift infrastructure. They would have filled LCC or BCC with 50 lifts each by now :-)
 
Sorry, James, I think it would be extremely illuminating to find out when, where and how he skis on his own turf in the Alps.
Worldskitraveller is appreciative for the seven pages of posts and bemused by the vigor of the comments. I alerted him to your follow-up questions and he can reply without me as a filter.
 
Don't get me going on the magnificent European ski lift infrastructure. They would have filled LCC or BCC with 50 lifts each by now
Yes but you skied some of the most famous ski areas. The more obscure ones don't have that amount of infrastructure. It would be interesting to measure the combined acreage and number of lifts at LCC/BCC and see how that compares to, say, Serre Chevalier -- not the biggest but pretty expansive and one that several of us have skied.
 
Hi everybody,

Thank you all for your interest in my trip – I’m genuinely honored that such a distinguished group of U.S. ski experts is taking the time to engage with my passion.

Since James has been acting as my defense attorney here for quite a while, I’m afraid I can no longer afford his legal fees in this skinquisition. So please allow me to represent myself from here on and answer your questions directly.

Let me start with a disclaimer:
For me, it’s just skiing. As much as I love it, I’m aware that it is not the most important thing in the world. For me, skiing – and even this whole thing with numbers – is about fun. I firmly believe everyone should enjoy snow sports in whatever way makes them happiest.

I’m not primarily a collector of ski areas – I’m a collector of lifts. Ski areas are simply the framework in which lift systems exist. Most ski challenges and media coverage focus on counting ski resorts, because that’s easier to communicate. Lift statistics are far less headline-friendly. It’s a niche perspective – but having studied business administration, I learned that niche strategies can be surprisingly successful :-)

The way I sometimes choose to travel is not meant to question anyone else’s approach to skiing. I enjoy spending several days in one ski area just as much as I enjoy seeing as many different places as possible, even if only once. I suppose I ski in the tension between “home is where the heart is” and “the next ski resort is always the prettiest.”

My statistics are based on the standards of the World Council of Skitistics: https://wcskitistics.jimdofree.com/
Because we kept debating these topics over and over again, two friends and I founded the Council in Arabba in 2012 with the goal of finally defining a few terms properly. What counts as a ski day? What counts as a lift? What defines a ski area? How do we treat merged or interconnected resorts? That way, we don’t have to renegotiate the rules every time the numbers come up. And yes, we did celebrate the founding properly – although my skis were stolen during the party.

If you prefer different rules: Jimmy Petterson published criteria in his book Ski The World II. I’ve summarized those – along with some additional clarifications – here: https://www.worldskitraveller.com/about

It feels a bit strange talking this much about myself – but since you asked, I’ll try to give you proper answers.
 
Sorry, James, I think it would be extremely illuminating to find out when, where and how he skis on his own turf in the Alps. I concede the point that he had an extremely rigid plan on the U.S trip and would not deviate come hell or high water, and further inquires about this specific trip might not reveal more than we already know.

So start off with the basics.
1) Where did he grow up and learn to ski?
2) Where does he live now, and what are his "home" areas that he can ski via daytrip? What are his favorites among those?
3) What are his favorite major resorts in the Alps, and does he take weekend or longer overnight trips regularly to any of those?
4) Alpinfans website shows him skiing lot in late December to January and in March. Does he avoid February due to job responsibilities or avoiding the school holidays? Or maybe he is skiing but we aren't seeing it on Alpinfans because it's not at first time areas.
5) Was he really skiing only ~25 days a season 2003-2014 or is that another misinterpretation because it's only counting new areas?
6) When did the "ski area collecting" project start?
7) Multiple areas in the Alps comes about naturally with so many lift interconnections. When did he start the method of skiing multiple areas in one day while having to drive between them?
1) Where did he grow up and learn to ski?
I grew up in Zürich. Every year we spent two weeks of ski holidays in Sörenberg, and during the first week I had to go to ski school. My father was in a ski club that owned a ski house with its own small lift, about an hour from Zürich, so we went there sometimes. Otherwise we did lots of weekend trips to the many small ski hills close to Zürich. Quite a few of those lifts unfortunately no longer exist.

2) Where does he live now, and what are his "home" areas that he can ski via daytrip? What are his favorites among those?
I still live in Zürich. Define “daytrip” :-) For me it usually means up to about 2 hours driving each way. Within that radius there are probably well over 200 ski areas. I have always wanted to analyze this properly: which city has the best “ski catchment area”. My guess: Geneva. Possibly better than Innsbruck, Grenoble, or Turin.

Some of the biggest areas we can reach within that time are Jungfrau, Engelberg, Andermatt, Laax, Davos, Arosa-Lenzerheide. In Austria: Damüls, Montafon, and Arlberg (depending on traffic and conditions). Smaller areas I really enjoy: Hoch-Ybrig, Flumserberg, Airolo, Meiringen-Hasliberg, Obersaxen, Grüsch Danusa.

3) What are his favorite major resorts in the Alps, and does he take weekend or longer overnight trips regularly to any of those?

My top favorites include Dolomiti Superski, Les 4 Vallées, Portes du Soleil, Sölden, Saalbach-Hinterglemm, and since 2016 also Arlberg. I also love Val d’Isère, La Clusaz, Chamonix, and Serre Chevalier.

I try to revisit these major destinations every few years. St. Moritz, Ischgl, and Zermatt also appear on my list fairly regularly.

But my absolute favorite is Scuol. That’s my second home. I worked there as a ski instructor, many close friends live there, my godson grows up there, and my family loves it as well. I try to be there two to three times each winter and another one or two times without skis. It’s a bit of a hidden gem right next to the Swiss National Park. Probably not the first place I would put on an international ski traveler’s bucket list – but home is where the heart is.

4) Alpinfans website shows him skiing a lot in late December to January and in March. Does he avoid February due to job responsibilities or avoiding the school holidays?

Thats correct. February is peak school-holiday season in Switzerland and therefore the most crowded and expensive time of the winter. In addition, the university semester starts in February, and several members of my team have children and need to take vacation during that period. That makes it difficult for me to be away as well.

So I tend to prefer January and March, when conditions can be excellent and the slopes are generally less busy.

5) Was he really skiing only ~25 days a season 2003-2014 or is that another misinterpretation because it's only counting new areas?

I ski far too little. But fortunately, it wasn’t that bad (with two exceptions). In the early years of my blog, I used to publish seasonal statistics – it includes ski touring, I do not have that on Alpinfans, but on my blog https://grandeboucle.blogspot.com/2018/06/jahresabrechnung-saison-20172018.html

6) When did the “ski area collecting” project start?
As I sad in the last post, strictly speaking, I don’t collect ski areas – I collect ski lifts. But that statistic is not officially tracked anywhere.

The first time I counted my lifts was in 2003, during après-ski in Kitzbühel. I was at around 750 lifts and set myself the goal of reaching 1,000.

After finishing my PhD, I rewarded myself with a trip through France’s largest ski areas, from the Mediterranean all the way to Chamonix. That “Grande Boucle” became the starting point of the blog and the more systematic tracking.

But the story actually begins much earlier – in 1975 in Sörenberg – when I wasn’t allowed to ride the lift next to mine because there were two separate lift companies with different tickets. On the same mountain. A small-scale version of Deer Valley–Park City.

7) Multiple areas in the Alps comes about naturally with so many lift interconnections. When did he start the method of skiing multiple areas in one day while having to drive between them?

I’m not entirely sure I understand the question – could you clarify what exactly you mean?
 
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Thanks for taking the time to engage in this thread. :)
After finishing my PhD, I rewarded myself with a trip through France’s largest ski areas, from the Mediterranean all the way to Chamonix. That “Grande Boucle” became the starting point of the blog and the more systematic tracking.
What is the original language for your blog? What I see is a French title with German text. Of course translation is available into many languages. Just happens that French is the language besides English that I studied enough to read/write.

Not that it's relevant, but what is your Ph.D. field? Ironically, my Ph.D. is in Biostatistics but I don't collect statistics about my skiing except for the "days" per ski area/resort.
 
I very much appreciate the detail response from Worldskitraveller. He may not know that Jimmy Petterson and I have connected over the past four years as rabid Dodger baseball fans as well as skiers. He returns to SoCal (where he grew up) mid-September every year and stays to the end of the postseason. As a season ticket holder I help him get playoff tickets and we both attend all of those home games. So far we have met in Europe for only one half day at Verbier in April 2022, skiing also with Bob Mazarei.

I am still on my 5 week ski road trip, but will definitely explore Worldskitraveller's blog when I get some time.
 
6) When did the “ski area collecting” project start?
As I sad in the last post, strictly speaking, I don’t collect ski areas – I collect ski lifts. But that statistic is not officially tracked anywhere.

The first time I counted my lifts was in 2003, during après-ski in Kitzbühel. I was at around 750 lifts and set myself the goal of reaching 1,000.

After finishing my PhD, I rewarded myself with a trip through France’s largest ski areas, from the Mediterranean all the way to Chamonix. That “Grande Boucle” became the starting point of the blog and the more systematic tracking.

But the story actually begins much earlier – in 1975 in Sörenberg – when I wasn’t allowed to ride the lift next to mine because there were two separate lift companies with different tickets. On the same mountain. A small-scale version of Deer Valley–Park City.
Sorry, I haven't read your blog, but I enjoyed the article @jamesdeluxe wrote about you and your trip across America.
This question may be one you've already addressed? Are you familiar with the American website: https://liftblog.com/ ? Are you familiar with the gentleman that runs that website, Peter Landsman? He is relatively young, yet has visited, photographed, and documented an incredible number of ski lifts. More about him HERE. He is also an employee at Jackson Hole ski area, and at one time was in charge of the operation of one of their major ski lifts/gondolas. He's not only a ski lift "collector", but also a ski lift operator.
 
side topic: I do a lot of road tripping in US and some in Canada, primarily to get to skiing, but also in the off-season for leisure purposes in my retirement. I'd get a kick out of some more detailed impressions from World Traveler about the car-centric American travel experience, our motels, roadside restaurants and attractions, traffic, driving habits??? I understand he noted how extensive our highway system is, but I haven't read his full report/blog on his US visit. Does he consider traveling in US to be more costly in most ways than Europe? I found the opposite, but probably because I know all the short cuts and discounts in US, whereas in Europe I bumbled into rather expensive hotels and restaurants. Trains were great, but we went through some stress making departure times, until we realized there was no need to prebook specific train times because there was always room to get a seat at the station on the next available train, at least in January.
 
in Europe I bumbled into rather expensive hotels and restaurants.
James has been recommending half board hotels including dinners in the Alps for well over a decade. That’s what we did in the Jungfrau (Wengen) in 2024, and nearly everywhere we skied in Austria in 2017 and 2022.

If traveling not in a car as JimK did in Europe, you are constrained to hotels and restaurants near train stations or in resorts. If he were doing this in Colorado he would paying way more than he did in the Alps.

JimK’s US travel is cheaper because he’s in his own car, much as Tseeb and I are on current ski road trips.

WST's recent travels in the U.S were mostly in very low cost regions.
 
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Most of them, yes. I have more, but I'd rather wait until I have explored all of WST's links thoroughly.
Good to know that he's advanced to the next round of interviews for the newly-created FTO position: VP of Transatlantic Itinerary Planning and Execution. As I understand it, this person reports to you while I provide day-to-day supervision.

Will I be consulted for the final decision? Are you planning to do the reference checks now or later?
 
Thanks for taking the time to engage in this thread. :)

What is the original language for your blog? What I see is a French title with German text. Of course translation is available into many languages. Just happens that French is the language besides English that I studied enough to read/write.

Not that it's relevant, but what is your Ph.D. field? Ironically, my Ph.D. is in Biostatistics but I don't collect statistics about my skiing except for the "days" per ski area/resort.
Thank you very much for checking out the blog. The original posts are written in German; I try to add an English version in the second part of each entry.

My PhD is in Human Resource Management. If you like, you could probably spot a few HRM observations in how ski resorts operate. But honestly, that’s not what drives me
 
I very much appreciate the detail response from Worldskitraveller. He may not know that Jimmy Petterson and I have connected over the past four years as rabid Dodger baseball fans as well as skiers. He returns to SoCal (where he grew up) mid-September every year and stays to the end of the postseason. As a season ticket holder I help him get playoff tickets and we both attend all of those home games. So far we have met in Europe for only one half day at Verbier in April 2022, skiing also with Bob Mazarei.

I am still on my 5 week ski road trip, but will definitely explore Worldskitraveller's blog when I get some time.
Thank you very much for your reply. I met with Jimmy 2023 in Saalbach Blog Meeting Goat where we learnt, that we do not count the resorts in the same way :-) Have a great trip!
 
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side topic: I do a lot of road tripping in US and some in Canada, primarily to get to skiing, but also in the off-season for leisure purposes in my retirement. I'd get a kick out of some more detailed impressions from World Traveler about the car-centric American travel experience, our motels, roadside restaurants and attractions, traffic, driving habits??? I understand he noted how extensive our highway system is, but I haven't read his full report/blog on his US visit. Does he consider traveling in US to be more costly in most ways than Europe? I found the opposite, but probably because I know all the short cuts and discounts in US, whereas in Europe I bumbled into rather expensive hotels and restaurants. Trains were great, but we went through some stress making departure times, until we realized there was no need to prebook specific train times because there was always room to get a seat at the station on the next available train, at least in January.
He did indeed - thank you! Traveling in the U.S. is generally much cheaper, although the distances are much longer. Since I don’t own a car in Switzerland, I also have to rely on rental cars here from time to time. Rental prices are roughly comparable, but gas and tolls are significantly cheaper in the U.S. – I think we all know why.

On the other hand, there are hardly any real alternatives to the car in many parts of the U.S., whereas in Switzerland I can often reach ski resorts by train and sometimes by bus as well – not everywhere, but in quite a few places. Scuol, for example, is actually faster to reach by train in winter.

If you stay in one place, trains are fantastic. For about 50 CHF plus 12 CHF per piece of luggage (link), the railway company will collect your luggage from your home and deliver it directly to your hotel. That makes for a very relaxed journey: beautiful scenery, comfortable seats, maybe a glass of wine, and proper conversations with your travel companions. And it's cheaper than having a rental standing in front of your hotel.

That said, I have only done one “collecting trip” by train: Scuol, Disentis, Aletsch Arena, Belalp, and Verbier back in 2009.

Most of my trips are road trips with skiing. I really enjoy the convenience of roadside motels and restaurants in the U.S. And it’s simply a very different experience to drive for hours through the empty landscapes of Arizona or New Mexico than through densely populated Tyrol. Also – and this might be important – I personally don’t mind driving for hours in the U.S., whereas my wife absolutely hates it. I love cruising and listening to music for hours – it’s something I don't get to do in my everyday life.
 
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