Sugarbush 1/4-1/6

kingslug

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Just got back from Sugarbush, sorry no pics, the weather was unpicturesque. Left LI at 3 Am and was on the mountain by 10. Coditions did not look good. They reported 14 inches but I guess it all blew away. Most everything was pretty winblown and icey..great. Some trails where ok on the sides and where they groomed...then the guns came out..and they started blowing their own snowstorm. Murphys Glade and Birdland got most of the attention. They went from icey hardpack to 8 foot wales in no time as they never shut the guns off until 2 days later. Downspout, Lower Jester, and some other lower trails also got blown pretty good. So the first day was spent under the guns. I checked out the upper mountain which looked like...Pluto...totaly frozen and windblown. Slid down Ripcord, a steep icey run much like Westway at Hunter, not pleasant. I was beat so I called it quits at 3 and headed back to the Sugarbush Inn for some much needed beer.My garbage pail made a nice cooler packed with snow each day, kept some cheese in there as well. Too tired to go out.

Next day looked more promising as it had flurried all night and the guns were still going....huge wales on Murphys and Birdland under the lift. They were blowing all over the place which created a cloud above the whole resort. Started down Murphys and had to use powder technique to get through all the manmade...it was super deep, so much so that I slammed into one wale and flipped over it, my first crash of the season. Made lap after lap on Murphys and Birdland for a while then headed over to the upper mountain which got some grooming over night. Ripcord was now groomed and a blast to fly down it , Paradise was icy moguls but not bad, upper Jester is just a long winding way down if you don't want anything steep. Headed over to the Gate House express and Lynx triple for some moguls. A nice consistant fall line, icey, rocky (all mogul trails had rocks) but good snow on the moguls. lapped that until I couldn't any more. It started snowing heavier and this helped to fill in and cover up the rocks. I wanted to hit Steins run and the Mall but they where way too rocked out, I like my bases. Headed back to the Superbravo lift and hung there until the end of the day, 7 hours was good enough for me. Ventured out to a bar on the Mt Ellen access rd...and ended up hanging out with the bartender.....and thats it...good burger though but man the place is desolate at night, very different from Killingtons nightlife. It was still snowing so things where looking better for tommorow.

Now we're talking. looks like at least 3 inches fell and its still snowing. Went over to Mt. Ellen, did one run down a sheet of ice...and left for Licoln, I guess they don't spend as much time over there blowing or grooming. Time to check out some of the lines I had bee looking at the day before. Lower Birdland under the lift was pretty rocked out before but was now doable. Still rocky, lots of moguls, double fall line. Spent a lot of time on that as it was pretty challenging. Went back to the Lynx for some more moguls then headed over to the other side for some glade mogul runs. Twist and Moonshine wind their way through the trees, very spaced out ones (don't like tight ) rocks here and there so it was hard to keep a line going but fun enough for a few laps, tiring!. Well its 3 and I haven't checked out Castlerock, heard it was more rock than castle. I figured with the snow they picked up in the last 2 1/2 days it must be a little better. The ride up the chair was pretty brutal. The wind was howling at 30mph or so and the temp dropped. Looking down was a sight, Liftline is a truly scary run, very steep and huge rock band all through it, not sure if I ever would try that unless they got some seriouse snow on it. Hopped into Caslerock and was met by moguls, ice and rocks, and some good snow here and there. I guess the sign at the bottom of the lift was right.." Experts only, all trails have moguls, and did we mention rocks..there is no easy way down!" ran into 4 guys on skis and boards trying to make their way down, so we all had a fun time slipping and sliding around the rocks and moguls. Half way down it got super rocked out so I bailed onto Troll Road and connected with Middle Earth which was in better shape...and that was it, 3 :45 and I'm done. Had dinner at Chez Henri a french bistro next to the mountain, in business since 1964, Henri is an interesting fellow, probably has met everyone who was everyone in the ski world. Can't wait to go back!
 
Sugarbush seems more willing to open marginal trails than the other places. They report 100% open on less natural snow than either Killington or the Northern Vermont places. I had counted last weekend as "A" for Northern Vermont based upon most of these places getting 20 inches or so and being 90+% open. Killington reported 34 inches between Dec. 30 and Jan. 6, so what did I miss?
 
My family had a house in Warren and we skied at Sugarbush almost every weekend from 1977 to 1999. What is described above sounds pretty good. I don't think you missed anything, Tony.
 
Tony Crocker":1ev5v86x said:
Sugarbush seems more willing to open marginal trails than the other places. They report 100% open on less natural snow than either Killington or the Northern Vermont places. I had counted last weekend as "A" for Northern Vermont based upon most of these places getting 20 inches or so and being 90+% open. Killington reported 34 inches between Dec. 30 and Jan. 6, so what did I miss?

Sugarbush is very willing to open trails with marginal conditions. Much more willing than Stowe, for sure. Killington in the past seemed pretty willing to do so, but not sure about now. I wasn't there so I will assume that the report is fully accurate, but especially with all the wind, the big question is how the woods were, which the post didn't address. It is very possible for the trails to be windswept (especially Ripcord, which is wide and very exposed) and the woods to be good. Castlerock is very often rocky. North Lynx trails do not have a good exposure; Sunrise in particular doesn't seem to hold snow well. My guess--and it is a guess--is that the woods probably were in pretty good shape. Some early season surprises, but still good snow. Someone else will definitely have to chime in though with a first-hand report off the off-map terrain.
 
kcyanks1":8f0mouqu said:
Sugarbush is very willing to open trails with marginal conditions. Much more willing than Stowe, for sure. Killington in the past seemed pretty willing to do so, but not sure about now. I wasn't there so I will assume that the report is fully accurate, but especially with all the wind, the big question is how the woods were, which the post didn't address. It is very possible for the trails to be windswept (especially Ripcord, which is wide and very exposed) and the woods to be good. Castlerock is very often rocky. North Lynx trails do not have a good exposure; Sunrise in particular doesn't seem to hold snow well. My guess--and it is a guess--is that the woods probably were in pretty good shape. Some early season surprises, but still good snow. Someone else will definitely have to chime in though with a first-hand report off the off-map terrain.

What he said.

Although raised in central Jersey, I grew up skiing in VT most weekends and all school breaks. We skied mostly at Killington when I was in grade-school (70s), but migrated up to MRG and Sugarbush when I was in junior and senior high (80s). Now I've got family in Fayston. I generally only get out there to ski 3 or 4 days a year, so I'm not qualified to render "local" opinions. Nonetheless, according to my family (and my frequent checks of MRG's website), the post-Christmas and New Year's snows came with a lot of wind, which likely did more damage to SB's wide-open slopes than it may done to more "classic" (i.e. narrow) New England trails and the woods.

IMO, a lot of SB's trails got too wide in the 80s and 90s (Ripcord is a classic example) and suffer for it in cold midwinter winds. Some of SB's old glades have also suffered from historically poor management and have thinned to the point that they offer little in snow preservation. All of that being said, SB has a lot more on-map (and brushed-out - perhaps too brushed-out) tree skiing than it used to have and I would hazard a guess (from 1200 miles away) that many of these areas may be skiing quite nicely. I agree that it would be nice to hear from someone who has skied off piste at SB recently.

As to Castlerock being "rocky," in my experience, like certain pitches at MRG, there are some places (small hidden ledges, etc.) there that simply always get scraped down almost as soon as they get skied after a storm. Hit them a few times and you get to know where they are. Liftline and neighboring Rumble, for example, have a relatively high density of such spots. IMO, the presence of knuckledraggers at SB (not allowed at MRG) can make these spots more exposed than they might otherwise be.

One completely unrelated word on these trails: Although they lack the pitch and intimidating exposure of lines like Main Chute, highboy or Gunsight (to use Alta as an example), IMO these trails (especially Rumble) are every bit as challenging. In fact, I might have just a little more respect for the technique of a skier that can truly link turns down long portions of Rumble than for a skier making a smooth decent of highboy or Main Chute.
 
Having skied most of the VT resorts I find that Sugarbush caters to the more adventurous skier than places like Killington and Mt.Snow. Sugar, Stowe, and Jay have runs that simply don't exist lower down the state. The castlerock chair is intimidating, more so than a lot of western ones I have been on. Better to take a dive in 3 feet of powder than a rock field !
 
One completely unrelated word on these trails: Although they lack the pitch and intimidating exposure of lines like Main Chute, highboy or Gunsight (to use Alta as an example), IMO these trails (especially Rumble) are every bit as challenging. In fact, I might have just a little more respect for the technique of a skier that can truly link turns down long portions of Rumble than for a skier making a smooth decent of highboy or Main Chute.
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What he said.
 
jkamien":2qbdt2ac said:
One completely unrelated word on these trails: Although they lack the pitch and intimidating exposure of lines like Main Chute, highboy or Gunsight (to use Alta as an example), IMO these trails (especially Rumble) are every bit as challenging. In fact, I might have just a little more respect for the technique of a skier that can truly link turns down long portions of Rumble than for a skier making a smooth decent of highboy or Main Chute.
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What he said.
Frankly, I think Rumble and other notable NE runs are more technically difficult than the Alta runs mentioned.
 
Goat, Starr and Paradise were pretty easy for me because it was 50+F when I skied them. I had few illusions what they would have been like in hard snow.
 
I blew my knee out when I was 15 skiing castle rock trail(honestly had no idea about the trail names there, just skiied it) I gave up skiing for 3 years until I moved to Colorado for college (state), had a great powder day at Vail and then took up snowboarding because the threat of knee problems was to high. After 15 years of ski improvments I was talked into skiing on my dads gear so that I could ski ALTA, been back about 10 times and swap days boarding and skiing.
In my mind the only time to ski tough terrian out east is late season, otherwise it is just hardpack at best and not that fun.
 
Tony Crocker":29enhvh4 said:
Goat, Starr and Paradise were pretty easy for me because it was 50+F when I skied them. I had few illusions what they would have been like in hard snow.
I have yet to ski them...conditions where always sketchy when I was there..even spring 2 years ago when the whole place flash froze...maybe this year.
 
Tony Crocker":3majc4ra said:
Sugarbush seems more willing to open marginal trails than the other places. They report 100% open on less natural snow than either Killington or the Northern Vermont places.

First - you are correct. They are willing to open in more marginal conditions and trust that the skier can make his/her own decisions whether to give it a try. I like that approach. Second, I think SB often under-reports their snowfall. They do not count any snowfall from before their opening, as opposed to many of their neighbors. I can't tell you how many times they've reported 6" but my friends and I could have sworn it was a lot deeper. Take that anecdote FWIW.
 
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