Sugarbush, VT: 04/22/07

riverc0il

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After four previous days at Sugarbush, I was happy to finally give all the marked terrain at South a legitiment hammering after having eluded me during previous visits for various reasons. Could not have picked a better day short of a big powder day to do it! Certainly the best Spring Corn days rank right up there just below the best of powder days (though in a season like this, today would not even crack my top ten ;) ).

Paid da man $46 for a lift ticket and ascended Super Bravo to warm up on Murphy's Glade before heading up to the summit for a run down Paradise and on to Castlerock for a marathon session on the trails offered off the double. I was particularly impressed with the refurbished lift design being rather high speed for a doulbe but with chairs spaced out at rediculous amounts. Good management, thank goodness ASC never bouched up this gem.

I am going to go on the record here and say that Rumble is the best non-gladed marked trail in the Northeast. Big statement, I know. So the caveat on that statement is I have never skied Smuggs, Whiteface, Gore, or Sugarloaf (since I was rather young). Otherwise, I stand by the remark and was very appreciative of the trail which had it all: Good Pitch, Lots of Curves, Very Narrow, Terrain Features, Tree Options around the Curves, Good Mogul Rhythm despite Narrow Trail, etc. Essentially, a slightly steeper and more turny version of the best untouched leftovers from the CCC days. Beautiful.

Bumps on Castlerock Run were irregular and not so hot. Middle Earth was nice up top than got lame after the third turn, Liftline was a hoot on the steeper sections but a yawn fest where it flattens out. Never took to Sugarbush partially because all of those run outs. Even on the best terrain like the Castlerock trails, there is a 30% run out. Corn snow all over and I was loving it. Hit each of these once with exception of Rumble twice.

After lunch, moved over to the Valley Doulble area and banged down some nice large bumps on Stein's then hit The Mall which had delightful smaller bumps and some occasional zipper lines. Would return here for my last run of the day for some hero bumps after starting to get sloppy on Heaven's Gate, where I moved to next.

Already having hit Paradise (nice trail, probably my second favorite on the mountain after Rumble), I bashed the best bumps lines of the day down Ripcord. Sweet! Really jamming hard on quick rhythm zipper line bumps. Considering I haven't hardly skied any bumps, what with all the powder and packed powder at Jay the last two months, I found the groove quick quickly. Really hard not to when the snow is this nice and soft. Over on Organgrinder, the bumps were just as nice though slightly less regular with Spillsville providing very nice lines as a second option.

So a great Spring day skiing corn and wonderful bumps everywhere. I would put high recommendation on this place for Spring skiing for dedicated bumpers like joegm, I was impressed with the amount of excellent bump runs from all the chairs. Never bothered with Lynx as I have skied that area before and it is a pain to get to. Every chair was ski on. It continues to amaze me that families get bundled up to ski busy holiday weekends early season when conditions truly suck and not everything is open. But on a day when many folks were skiing in T-Shirts and camisoles (damn, I love Spring time!) with all terrain open and the snow soft and forgiving, and lets not forget about no lines at any lifts, where is everybody? This is not a sad reflection on the industry that extends seasons by weeks when the snow is good, but rather a poor reflection skiers that don't have a clue, don't do some simple research, and don't better plan trips for when skiing is cheaper, warmer, better conditions, fully open, and less crowded. /rant

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Thanks for the great report, Steve! How was the cover on Castlerock? Last Sunday SB had amazing cover. I skied Killington yesterday and had plenty of fun and there were great spring conditions everywhere, and plenty of cover overall, but some of the trails were a good bit rockier than anything at SB. Just was wondering if the rain hit SB hard, or whether SB just has a much better base. I guess since next weekend is out of the question for me it might not matter, but Win did say that they'll assess the situation and might reopen the first weekend in May.
 
Oops, I did forget to mention cover, didn't I? Great coverage on Middle Earth and Castlerock Run. Liftline was spotty in many places, especially in the steeper sections. Although the slot right below the unload station was open, most people were optting for the cut in to Rumble from Run. Rumble is not going to make it until next weekend, no doubt. It was sketchy in a few places and the traffic between my two runs was noticeable. The biggest issue for Castlerock area is the base area near the lift. They will need to get some snow cats in there to push some snow around as it was hard connecting the slight patches of snow to get back to the lift. Lots of folks concerned about their skis, or just not able to ski thin cover well, were taking skis off and walking down 10-20' feet on the last pitch. I am doubtful Castlerock will make next weekend based on today's coverage and continued warm weather.

Coverage on most everything else was stellar except the run out near the Super Bravo. Really thin down there and they will need to push snow. If they don't get some snow pushed down on the Super Bravo run out area, I image an upload to the Heaven's Gate or Lynx areas would be the only options . Still good snow on the Valley Double area but the lower half of The Mall is just barely hanging on, so that could be an option too and possibly prevent an upload/download situation if that area can hang on.
 
riverc0il":14atewzc said:
Oops, I did forget to mention cover, didn't I? Great coverage on Middle Earth and Castlerock Run. Liftline was spotty in many places, especially in the steeper sections. Although the slot right below the unload station was open, most people were optting for the cut in to Rumble from Run. Rumble is not going to make it until next weekend, no doubt. It was sketchy in a few places and the traffic between my two runs was noticeable. The biggest issue for Castlerock area is the base area near the lift. They will need to get some snow cats in there to push some snow around as it was hard connecting the slight patches of snow to get back to the lift. Lots of folks concerned about their skis, or just not able to ski thin cover well, were taking skis off and walking down 10-20' feet on the last pitch. I am doubtful Castlerock will make next weekend based on today's coverage and continued warm weather.

Coverage on most everything else was stellar except the run out near the Super Bravo. Really thin down there and they will need to push snow. If they don't get some snow pushed down on the Super Bravo run out area, I image an upload to the Heaven's Gate or Lynx areas would be the only options . Still good snow on the Valley Double area but the lower half of The Mall is just barely hanging on, so that could be an option too and possibly prevent an upload/download situation if that area can hang on.

Thanks for the update. Sounds like a lot of damage since last week. Last week the coverage was amazing. Some of the areas that always have some rocks still had them (way to of Liftline, one section in the middle of Liftline that you can avoid with a little curvy part of the trail off to skier's left, the way top of Rumble), but it was as good as I've seen it otherwise. The last pitch on Liftline was in great shape and that is often bad and seems like it was bad for you today.

Did you ski in the trees at all? Did you ski the woods off Paradise, or just the trail itself?
 
I tried a few woods shots, including the Paradise area but found the snow unmanageable. It was excessively soft and gave you a sinking sensation. I don't mess around in the trees when I am not feeling the conditions, so I bailed straight out when it was not to my liking. Still good coverage though... but it needs a full evening freeze I think. Then again, I may have just been trying the wrong aspects.
 
riverc0il":1q9ig9q3 said:
I tried a few woods shots, including the Paradise area but found the snow unmanageable. It was excessively soft and gave you a sinking sensation. I don't mess around in the trees when I am not feeling the conditions, so I bailed straight out when it was not to my liking. Still good coverage though... but it needs a full evening freeze I think. Then again, I may have just been trying the wrong aspects.

I'd think the stuff off Paradise might be the best bet when you combine elevation and exposure, though I'm no expert here. Maybe some of the woods off Super Bravo, but those are lower down. Woods off Castlerock I'd figure wouldn't be a good bet.. Thanks for the updates.
 
found the snow unmanageable. It was excessively soft and gave you a sinking sensation.
This is what you can expect when there is no overnight freeze. And in natural terrain it takes several successive freezing nights/clear warm days to consolidate into natural corn. You probably had some of this back in 2001, but in general it's going to be rare in the East. But no question in my mind these are the best conditions for skier-packed moguls, as I saw at MRG in March 2003.

While we have the altitude out here to be more conducive to natural corn, you still can't depend upon it.
Certainly the best Spring Corn days rank right up there just below the best of powder days
Having had 5 such days at Mt. Bachelor in 1990 and 2000, that's what I was hoping for last weekend, but winter was not done yet. And looking at this weekend's reports from there, same thing, another 5 inches new Saturday. And I also remember the 10+ foot base at Baldy at the end of February 2005. For the entire month of March Garry Klassen reported unmanageable off-piste snow except where skier packed. We had to wait until April before it finally settled to corn. Same year admin had to wait until June for a good corn cycle at Snowbird.

It looks like Wildcat and Sugarloaf are better candidates than the Vermont areas to hold snow into May. Whether any lifts will run to take advantage is another question.
 
That is what I figured regarding the snow. The weird thing was that the main trails did corn over very nicely. Perhaps the trees trapped in warmer air that escaped the trails due to a clear night? Not sure how that works.

Tony Crocker":17vbzlwc said:
It looks like Wildcat and Sugarloaf are better candidates than the Vermont areas to hold snow into May. Whether any lifts will run to take advantage is another question.
Bush is holding snow very well actually... but the problem with Bush, and a lot of other Vermont mountains, is the flat run outs get baked very quickly. The flat sections of the mountain, especially the lower elevation base area (lower compared to an area like Wildcat) are loosing snow rather quickly whereas the upper elevation trails should go another two or three weeks (not that the ski area would go that long).
 
Just wanted to chime in with some deep Bush thoughts, as the Bush has been highlighted a few times in this forum recently.

-back in the early 90's before Stowe upgraded its snowmaking and other mtn ops, North Bush (Glen Ellen?) was sometimes a better option than Stowe during early season/low snow years (i.e. winter of 90/91).

-The Bush "suffers" from having such an incredibly strong neighbor/competitor in Stowe. Put it this way: if you're going to drive 3 hrs from Boston, why not drive 3.5 hrs and go to Stowe? That's not meant as a knock on the Bush, it's an acknowledgement to the power of Stowe (mtn, town, history, "brand name", etc.)

-I just had dinner w/ a couple on Friday night. In their 20's they were Killington regulars. Now they are Bush regulars, and they think they've found heaven compared to Killington (more snow, great terrain, less crowded, more VT charm). So everything's relative.

By the way, let me plug the Mad River Valley area for a great Summer/Fall destination. Superb hiking, biking, fishing, scenery...I could go on.
 
Last weekend was indeed stellar. Great coverage. Great sun. Lots of smiles. Love the 'bush, and after the corn fest is over, they start a program to reintroduce mountain biking at Lincoln Peak....major trail work, lift serviced downhill riding, the whole works apparently. Psyched about those possibilities.
 
jamesdeluxe":2enw8r96 said:
Sorry to hijack... RivercOil and I will have to agree to disagree and take this up in the aesthetics thread, but I think that he should travel out west or to Europe to see some base area lodging that's truly gaudy.

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LOL. I thought about your thread a lot while I was at Sugarbush ;) My opinion is I think the new base area, though desperately needed, is great if you are a metropolitan looking for lots of city comforts and posh expense in your ski experience. I think the base lodges at Mad River, Jay Peak Stateside, and Cannon (though very well packed in and crowded) are a little slice of heaven in the oasis of fashionable and creature comfort developments.

It might not rival developments out west or in Europe, but Bush is giving Stowe a run for its proverbial money with SBS. Stowe may have the new Spruce Peak, but as least the main Lodge by the Forerunner still feels like a classic ski lodge. Then again, so does SBN's lodge. Too bad SBN doesn't have the terrain (uh oh... :o ;) ). Interestingly, the two developments at these two mountains are quite similar in massive structure and scope. These two resorts are certainly posed to be each other's top rivals, Stratton excluded due to lack worthy of terrain.
 
I think in our zeal to seek out places that match our tastes -- and I like the same spartan lodge setups as you -- we often forget that *someone* has to pay the colossal bills a place with extensive snowmaking must run up, and it ain't us.

Since there's already an atmospheric low-budget place just down the road, Sugarbush may as well go the full-service route as a market differentiator in the MRV. Of course, Clay Brook is aimed at a clientele of which I'm not a member (I've seen the prices).

And if they want to use the picture-postcard farmhouse design -- as phony as you might find it -- as a template for drawing well-off metro people looking for a Vermont that doesn't (and maybe never did) exist... I say "fine, as long as it keeps them in business."
 
Oh, I completely agree. It is just not my style nor taste. Though I discard the notion that a million dollar per unit slope side development like clay brook need be implemented to keep a place in business. We all know real estate is where the money is, but most places make do without such extravagance. Clay Brook may be footing some of the bill else where in the resort, but that is because of the way management chooses to run the resort, hardly a requirement to stay in business, but rather a recipe to be one of the elite ski resorts in New England. Completely agree with everything you wrote, but doesn't mean I appreciate the extravagance and luxury one bit.

jamesdeluxe":ph3tffo0 said:
I think in our zeal to seek out places that match our tastes -- and I like the same spartan lodge setups as you -- we often forget that *someone* has to pay the colossal bills a place with extensive snowmaking must run up, and it ain't us.
Sure it's us, that's why I bought a share :lol: ;) In any case, I am quite glad there are places for everyone and different strokes for different folks and all that. It only further drives my appreciation for the places I truly love and adore.
 
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