The NYC/Baseball Hijack

[Admin]

Actually, it's perfect justification for fleeing the east coast. BaselessBalls ranks right up there with golf and bowling as one of the world's most boring sports. :stir:

You instigator! :lol: However...

Not that there isn't baseball in California or Colorado, but I don't think it has the same cultural importance there as it does here.

You mean that a bunch of overpaid crybaby prima donnas bulked up on steroids constitutes a cultural phenomenon? Perhaps it was prior to the labor unrest of a decade ago, but certainly not anymore.

 

[rfarren]

I'm talking about anyplace that has obnoxious summer humidity. That's pretty much anyplace east of the Rockies and lower than what, 2,000 - 3,000 feet? You New Englanders can tell me if the mountains there are high enough to be pleasant in summer.

The Daks are nice in the summer for sure.

Tony, how many baseball teams are west of the rockies or are over 3,000 feet? Eight teams by my count. Does seattle count(rain humidity)? Pheonix counts? I mean they have to close the roof and run AC to make sure people don't catch fire. Oakland can get pretty uncomfortably hot, and at AT&T park you often need a coat in the middle of summer. That being said, is Anaheim really a great place ot see a game? I hear Pac Bell is beautiful, but then you have to watch the Padres, which is baseball's equivelent of a molehill. Colorado is a pretty stadium, but they don't have a diehard fan base. That leaves dodger stadium, which if you ask me is one of the most overrated stadiums in baseball. I will say however, that the weather is certainly prime for baseball.

Anyhow, Tony I think your heat/humidity argument is a moot point being that the vast majority of games are played at night nowadays.

 

[rfarren]

Not that there isn't baseball in California or Colorado, but I don't think it has the same cultural importance there as it does here.

You mean that a bunch of overpaid crybaby prima donnas bulked up on steroids constitutes a cultural phenomenon? Perhaps it was prior to the labor unrest of a decade ago, but certainly not anymore.

So, the cape cod league is made up of " a bunch of overpaid crybaby prima donnas bulked up on steroids?" I think not.

I do think baseball is a cultural phenominon. Just look at the number of independent leagues that exist in the northeast corridor.

 

[Marc_C]

I do think baseball is a cultural phenominon.

In that it perfectly exemplifies a abject lack thereof.

 

[Admin]

So, the cape cod league is made up of " a bunch of overpaid crybaby prima donnas bulked up on steroids?" I think not.

I do think baseball is a cultural phenominon. Just look at the number of independent leagues that exist in the northeast corridor.

Aren't you the one who just one post earlier wrote?:

I hear Pac Bell is beautiful, but then you have to watch the Padres, which is baseball's equivelent of a molehill.

Small-time B-league baseball like the Cape Cod League (never even heard of it, despite the fact that I lived in New England for nearly 30 years of my life) or the Salt Lake Bees makes the Padres look like consecutive World Series winners.

 

[Marc_C]

Great. Then don't go to a game.

Gee, thanks for the obvious advice. I haven't gone to a game, ever, and never will. Never watched one on TV, either.

You just need to accept that it is loved in these parts.

Exactly my point.

...a place, where the closest thing to cultural heritage is the mormon church...

You really don't know anything about the West or Utah, do you.
And you're trying to equate baseball with cultural heritage? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: #-o

 

[jtran10]

1. East coast summers can't be classified as "east coast summers", just like skiing in Vermont vs. PA is vastly different, so are their summers. Just like Admin says Utah summers are better than winters I think most people would feel the same about Vermont.

2. Baseball is a great game

3. The Cape Cod League is probably the best amateur league in the world, and also a great New England tradition, I'm suprised Admin hasn't heard of it

4. The Yankees will lose tonight

 

[SoCal Rider]

Hey, why are we picking on the Pads?!? They were 9-3 not too long ago. Winning seasons and two playoff appearances from '04-'07!

 

[SoCal Rider]

And you're trying to equate baseball with cultural heritage? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: #-o

What's so odd about this? Do you not watch Ken Burns docs?

 

[jtran10]

And you're trying to equate baseball with cultural heritage? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: #-o

What's so odd about this? Do you not watch Ken Burns docs?

Agreed. I just felt like reading some Wikipedia and apparently it's been known as the national pastime since 1856. Was Utah even a state then?

 

[Marc_C]

And you're trying to equate baseball with cultural heritage? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: #-o

What's so odd about this? Do you not watch Ken Burns docs?

Agreed. I just felt like reading some Wikipedia and apparently it's been known as the national pastime since 1856. Was Utah even a state then?

Yeah, and both bluegrass "music" and cowboy poetry are part of our cultural heritage as well....and equally as boring as baseball and flog.
:twisted:

 

[EMSC]

Nothing much to add to this way-off-topic conversation. Though you can count me among the anti-baseballers. Unless I'm actually playing (which I don't anymore).

Though I do go to a game once every 3 years or so to hang out with those that actually like to watch the occasionally interrupted game of catch.

Colorado Rockies have had a total of one season worthy of developing any following, so give em another 50+ years with a few decent seasons thrown in and they might eventually develop a following 'Ala back east. This is a rabid sports town in general after all. Generically speaking, it's 75% Broncos, 10% Av's and ~15% scattered to everything else (baseball, basketball, college sports, MLS, arena football, etc..., etc...) due to the history (and success) of the various franchises. Nuggets are getting lots of bandwagon folks right about now though...

 

[Tony Crocker]

I think the Rockies set a bunch of attendance records (4+ million) during their first few seasons. But I've always heard that the Broncos are #1 in Denver.

Anyhow, Tony I think your heat/humidity argument is a moot point being that the vast majority of games are played at night nowadays.

One of the problems with summer humidity is that it doesn't cool off as much at night. Of course there are gradations by latitude on both coasts. Even so, I have little doubt that Boston's summers are more uncomfortable than either Seattle's or San Diego's.

I may look up the BBC Weather website to substitute facts for impressions.

 

[Bobby Danger]

i can see myself skiing this month next month and into july before thinking about baseball around the allstar break. why the baseball season right now is pretty much ho-hum. unless it's red sox yankees. and that team that moved too l.a. in the fifties from new york what a treat it would be to have them back. that would make the eastern a.l. that much tougher.

 

[rfarren]

i can see myself skiing this month next month and into july before thinking about baseball around the allstar break. why the baseball season right now is pretty much ho-hum. unless it's red sox yankees. and that team that moved too l.a. in the fifties from new york what a treat it would be to have them back. that would make the eastern a.l. that much tougher.

a.l.? american league? Both teams that moved out west are NL teams.

...a place, where the closest thing to cultural heritage is the mormon church...

You really don't know anything about the West or Utah, do you.
And you're trying to equate baseball with cultural heritage? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: #-o

Wasn't talking about the west, I was talking about Utah. I'm curious, what are these things that are culturally specific to Utah. I know Olive Garden isn't. \/ \/ :lol:

Small-time B-league baseball like the Cape Cod League (never even heard of it, despite the fact that I lived in New England for nearly 30 years of my life)

Not knowing about the cape cod league in the baseball world is like not knowing about the wasatch in the skiing world.

 

[rfarren]

Hey, why are we picking on the Pads?!? They were 9-3 not too long ago. Winning seasons and two playoff appearances from '04-'07!

Sorry didn't mean to pick on the pads. I would give my left foot to have the yankees play in that division.

 

[Admin]

I'm curious, what are these things that are culturally specific to Utah. I know Olive Garden isn't. \/ \/ :lol:

Haven't learned much from hanging around here, have you, Grasshopper?

Not knowing about the cape cod league in the baseball world is like not knowing about the wasatch in the skiing world.

Which fully explains why I've never heard of it. :lol:

 

[rfarren]

Haven't learned much from hanging around here, have you, Grasshopper?

Nice... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Marc_C]

Wasn't talking about the west, I was talking about Utah.

Utah is the west - you can't talk about them individually, hence, my point, you really don't know much about which you speak.

 

[rfarren]

Wasn't talking about the west, I was talking about Utah.

Utah is the west - you can't talk about them individually, hence, my point, you really don't know much about which you speak.

Really... so if I said to someone from montana that there is no difference between Utah and Montana they would agree, right? I mean, Utah is just like Colorado right?, or for that matter New Mexico or Arizona. I see... so when I'm talking about going out west I'm pretty much talking about Utah. I may not know what I'm talking about, but I know enough to know that the mountain west is made up of some very different areas. I've been out there enough to know there is quite a big difference between montana, wyoming, idaho, and Utah. I have enough friends that were born and raised in Montana, Arizona, and Colorado who would gladly refute the above statement.