U.S. Ski Areas With The Biggest Cult Followings

Most regular skiers (eg intermediates) like the ski terrain at places like Angel Fire better IMO.
Confirmation of the prerequisite criterion of a cult ski area.
It was in pretty deep financial trouble
The recurring poor snow seasons can't be helping the situation there.
In the east, Mammoth is mainly known for late season skiing, meaning after April. Like skiing ABasin in late April and into May, it's a social scene with friends and not about off-piste terrain or snow.
Strongly disagree. Avid skiers from outside the region flock to these places after mid-April precisely because the quality of skiing remains high after most places have closed.
Too bad you have not had a great ski day there as yet. I've been fortunate to have many great days there over the years, though of course I'm local.
I'm not local but my late April/early May days at A-Basin in 1987, 1991 and 2015 were all excellent, and the 2015 trip included some fresh powder in a season that was truly awful in all of the Pacific States. A-Basin often offers a full operation winter experience in that time frame. It is unfortunate that A-Basin has to close steep terrain average May 10 or so for wet snow instability.

As for Mammoth, that limitation does not apply, so some of the steep runs are skiable to closing day, even when that closing is in July or August. And groomer corn does not suck either: see last day of recent TR. I find groomer skiing in that condition superior to winter packed powder. The quality of Mammoth's spring skiing is such that my vertical per day tends to increase in April and May vs. long term average, even if many of those days end by 2 or 3PM.
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Now that ABasin is owned by Alterra, will that change attitudes for locals and regular travelers?
ABasin has zero local lodging. Closest is Keystone and intermediates don't generally like it as much as other areas. Therefore I think it will always be a niche ski area. Its one of my favorite mountains. Pali face generally always has good snow. On a true powder day, there are hidden locations throughout the mountain that don't track out.
 
where people put bumper stickers on their cars,
Many SoCal skiers have Mammoth car stickers. I couldn't resist getting this one when Mountain Monster was handing some out at a spring chair 2 tailgate a couple of years ago.
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ABasin ........................ and intermediates don't generally like it as much as other areas.
More support for the prime criterion of a cult ski area.

I think Alan Henceroth is quite zealous about maintaining A-Basin's culture. Stuart interviewed him not long ago, and the only hint I heard about Alterra interference was removing A-Basin from Mountain Collective.
 
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Kicking Horse likely falls into this group. Its multiple ridges of nothing but steep chutes. Some years you even have to hike up from the lower chairlift to the upper.
 
Kicking Horse likely falls into this group.
Kicking Horse absolutely has the terrain profile. But does it have a cult following? I think the issue here is that other regional areas also have some of that profile. Expert Calgary skiers can and do patronize Lake Louise, Fernie, Castle and even Revelstoke as well as Kicking Horse. I suspect that favorites are dispersed among those places. A-Basin and Taos terrain profiles stand out more in their regions.
 
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Strongly disagree. Avid skiers from outside the region flock to these places after mid-April precisely because the quality of skiing remains high after most places have closed.
For an advanced/expert skier who wants to extend their season but doesn't want to head to Canada, of course the snow conditions at Mammoth is more important than the social scene and having afternoons available other outdoor activities. My only experience skiing Mammoth was a few days in May. Followed by a quick look at Death Valley before flying east from Las Vegas. That trip started with skiing in Oregon.

Here is an example of the type comments I read about late season trips to Mammoth. I know quite a few people who like to fly from the northeast to meet up with friends who live in SoCal. Some are advanced skiers but they wouldn't travel solo for advanced/expert terrain after mid-April.

". . . springtime in Mammoth can be a total joy. Longer days, fewer people, milder temps, laidback vibe."
 
Kicking Horse absolutely has the terrain profile. But does it have a cult following?
It might. I've read comments made to people asking for advice about planning a trip to that region of Canada implying that not going to Kicking Horse or spending more time there versus the other options around there would be poor planning. I'm thinking about people who plan ski trips 6-12 months in advance who will be flying well over 6 hours to get there.
 
My understanding is Taos may have had to stop operating as normal without having gotten the lifeline of Ikon. It was in pretty deep financial trouble at the end of it's long unique/cult run under the Blake family. What worked for them for decades had changed and they desperately needed changes and cash infusion. Thus the succession of: snowboards allowed, sale to a billionaire and then added to Ikon.
Ikon came into the picture several years after the sale to Louis Blake Bacon in 2013. The founder, Ernie Blake, died in 1989. Jean Mayer died in 2020. The Blake hotel opened in late February 2017, more or less a year late. Taos tried to require Full Ikon for a season, as is the case for JHMR, Alta, and a few other Partner resorts. TSV went back to allowing people to use Ikon Base for 2025-26.

I and my friends had a free "mountain tour" in 2017 because we were using the Mountain Collective. It was an experiment that hasn't been repeated. No one else joined in so I could ask all sorts of questions. The tour guide was the manager in charge of lifties and parking lot attendants. He'd worked at TSV for a couple decades. We skied with him for two hours and learned quite a bit. By then it was clear the long time staff were generally happy with the new ownership. They knew major changes were necessary to make TSV a sustainable business.

The goal for the MC that first season was 5000. He was very happy that as of February when we were there, TSV was on track to reach the target.

The issue for TSV is whether or not climate change means Kachina Peak opens less and less in the next decade. As long as the terrain there and off the Ridge in the other direction remains available Feb-Mar, advanced/expert skiers willing to hike will continue to have TSV on their radar for return visits.
 
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Ikon came into the picture several years after the sale to Louis Blake in 2013. The founder, Ernie Blake, died in 1989. Jean Mayer died in 2020. The Blake hotel opened in late February 2017, more or less a year late. Taos tried to require Full Ikon for a season, as is the case for JHMR, Alta, and a few other Partner resorts. TSV went back to allowing people to use Ikon Base for 2025-26.

I and my friends had a free "mountain tour" in 2017 because we were using the Mountain Collective. It was an experiment that hasn't been repeated. No one else joined in so I could ask all sorts of questions. The tour guide was the manager in charge of lifties and parking lot attendants. He'd worked at TSV for a couple decades. We skied with him for two hours and learned quite a bit. By then it was clear the long time staff were generally happy with the new ownership. They knew major changes were necessary to make TSV a sustainable business.

The goal for the MC that first season was 5000. He was very happy that as of February when we were there, TSV was on track to reach the target.

The issue for TSV is whether or not climate change means Kachina Peak opens less and less in the next decade. As long as the terrain there and off the Ridge in the other direction remains available Feb-Mar, advanced/expert skiers willing to hike will continue to have TSV on their radar for return visits.
Typo: I believe it is Louis Bacon who bought Taos ski area. Hedge Fund manager and conservationist. Had a home in Taos and is an avid skier.
 
whether or not climate change means Kachina Peak opens less and less in the next decade.
I don't think we have to worry abut it raining on Kachina Peak! So you have to make the case that New Mexico's climate is getting drier, even though SoCal and Arizona are not.
TaosAZ snowbowl
18-19
237.00
346.00
19-20
245.00
243.00
20-21
250.00
224.00
21-22
206.50
191.00
22-23
245.00
399.00
23-24
243.75
278.00
24-25
112.25
193.00
25-26
92.10
150.00
8yr avg
203.95
253.00
40+yr avg
250.12
245.40

Both AZ Snowbowl and Taos have base elevations of 9,000 feet so rain is extremely rare. Monthly snowfall over 258 months is 57% correlated between the two areas.

The strangest year for Taos vs. the rest of the Southwest was 2022-23. Percents of average snowfall:
SoCal 195%
Arizona Snowbowl 165%
Brian Head 123%
Purgatory 129%
Wolf Creek 129%
Taos 98%
2022-23 + 2023-24 had the second highest 2-season Los Angeles rainfall total (53.59 inches) in records dating back to 1878.

My position is that Southwest precipitation is extremely volatile and that New Mexico is having a localized run of bad luck. Maybe it will go the other way sometime, as in the early 1990's.
 
Expert Calgary skiers can and do patronize Lake Louise, Fernie, Castle and even Revelstoke as well as Kicking Horse. I suspect that favorites are dispersed among those places.
No love for Banff Sunshine? Delirium Dive and Wild West not expert enough? 2/20/2020 report when @Tony Crocker and I skied both.

Note that Fernie is getting 2 new lifts in the next couple of years according to https://www.powder.com/news/4-new-lifts-bc-ski-resorts that also says Kicking Horse will add lift from base to Stairway to Heaven.

While I only have two days lifetime days at Whitewater including one this year when I could have skied Red Mountain for free. Instead, I paid over US$107 for walk-up Senior ticket at Whitewater. I felt like it was well worth it and that it could be added to this list if it was in the US.
Photo I took of skier dropping 50' with a 360 this year.
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I know @Tony Crocker asked me to "make the case for Kirkwood, as it's probably his most skied area since retirement" but not yet sure what to share and still doing some research.
 
Delirium Dive and Wild West not expert enough?
Plenty expert, but:
1) How often are they open? and
2) How many runs in those sectors can you get in a day when they are open? It is a more extreme version of the Big Sky tram situation.

Both Big Sky and Sunshine are overall heavily intermediate ski areas, meaning they fail the prime criterion of a cult area. Big Sky has somewhat of a case due to the extensive DFU terrain off that tram.

Kirkwood does fit the cult profile of being a decent expert area and a mediocre intermediate one. I'll leave the question about whether Kirkwood has a cult following on that basis to Tseeb. I'd guess that for the hard core Tahoe experts, Palisades has overriding cachet in the region. My impression is that people go to Kirkwood when its snow is better than the rest of Tahoe.

I'll bet Craig Morris (who left Fernie in 2014) would not be happy about a high speed lift in Cedar Bowl as the powder will get tracked out way faster.

The new Kicking Horse lift will relieve gondola lift lines on weekends and powder days. However it does not add any new ways to lap the upper mountain when the lower half conditions aren't great.
 
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I'll bet Craig Morris (who left Fernie in 2014) would not be happy about a high speed lift in Cedar Bowl as the powder will get tracked out way faster.
It's a lift that makes total sense. At the same time, I've had some amazing runs in Cedar Bowl due to the low re-lap capability that many folks won't bother with in its current configuration.
 
Not to be the thread police but the "cult ski areas are those with the most expert terrain" comment takes us off the mark to where the discussion is now about statistics: slope difficulty percentage, how much expert terrain is accessed by lifts, and how often said lifts are operational. I'd argue that the original question had more of a cultural context:
  • Why is Alta at the top of cult ski areas while hugely popular Snowbird directly next door (with a higher percentage of steep/expert terrain) isn't?
  • Why is MRG the top East Coast cult area while Sugarbush barely one mile away isn't? The same might be said about Jay Peak vs. nearby Sutton (both are known for tree skiing).
  • Why did Taos have a definite cult for decades and today (after the Blakes sold it) not so much?
 
"cult ski areas are those with the most expert terrain"
It's not the "most expert terrain," it's the proportion of expert vs. intermediate terrain. Strong cults don't form around areas that have wide appeal to intermediates, period. I challenge James to name one. I only saw a little bit of Sugarbush, but I'll bet it has way more intermediate runs than MRG. Even if overall topography is similar, in the East the amount of snowmaking and grooming would adjust the terrain proportion significantly.

Snowbird unquestionably has a cult. It's just not as rabid as Alta's. Recall the ads a few years ago where Snowbird touted its negative reviews from intermediate skiers who complained about "too steep" and/or "too much snow."
Jay Peak vs. nearby Sutton
Sutton gets maybe as much snow as Killington. I can't speak to the level of intermediate terrain at Sutton. Jay does not have the sustained fall lines that Stowe and MRG do. I think its expert challenge comes from the wind blowing snow off the trails and making tree skiing (which in Vermont is highly expert skewed) the most desirable. A corollary key feature of cult areas is having lots of the best skiing require local knowledge and perhaps some grunt work to navigate. This proportion is very high at Alta and sort of average at Snowbird. That, and the snowboard ban, explain the difference in cult intensity IMHO. Again, the cult mindset is, "Let's keep the riffraff out."

Maybe Taos' cult status has weakened since the Blakes sold, but MarzNC's attitude tells me that it's still there.

The absolute quantity of expert terrain does count for something at the very top of the scale. That's Whistler, Jackson, Palisades and Snowbird in no particular order. IMHO there's a big dropoff from those four to whoever is #5.

The other factor, as in so many discussions of ski areas, is regional context. Kicking Horse is in a region with a lot of expert-skewed areas. Snowbird's cult would be at the level of Jackson or Palisades if Alta weren't next door.

Is Whistler an exception to the intermediate issue? Since it's so big, there is certainly quantity of good intermediate terrain, but the proportion still skews more challenging. Other cult points in its favor:
1) Whistler is poor for beginners.
2) Lots of casual skiers whine about the weather and don't return for that reason. And since the high alpine skews heavily expert, they are more likely to be below tree line where the snow surfaces are less reliable.

In terms of James' vibe, my direct experience with Whistler supports that view.
1) My journalism mentor Leslie Anthony moved there and founded SBC Skier magazine.
2) The independent steep skiing Extremely Canadian ski clinics. Independent ski schools are common in the Alps but essentially unheard of elsewhere in North America. Even Vail had enough common sense not to shut them down, which tells me a lot about the strength of Whistler's culture.
3) The last of my 6 trips to Whistler was right at the time Vail bought it. I don't know if it's still as much a Mecca for pro freeskiers. I'd welcome @takeahike46er's view on the degree to which Vail has changed Whistler's culture and/or cult status.

Finally, to James, IMHO the proportion of expert vs. intermediate terrain is a necessary but not sufficient condition for a cult area.
 
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Not to be the thread police but the "cult ski areas are those with the most expert terrain" comment takes us off the mark to where the discussion is now about statistics: slope difficulty percentage, how much expert terrain is accessed by lifts, and how often said lifts are operational. I'd argue that the original question had more of a cultural context:
  • Why is Alta at the top of cult ski areas while hugely popular Snowbird directly next door (with a higher percentage of steep/expert terrain) isn't?
  • Why is MRG the top East Coast cult area while Sugarbush barely one mile away isn't? The same might be said about Jay Peak vs. nearby Sutton (both are known for tree skiing).
  • Why did Taos have a definite cult for decades and today (after the Blakes sold it) not so much?
Most of these “cult” ski areas listed are independently owned. I noticed that none of them are owned by Vail, Altera or Boyne, with the exception being Mammoth.
 
Kirkwood is owned by Vail. Bought for $18M in February 2012. Bargain price and thought was to prevent Ikon from buying it.

I followed example set by @jamesdeluxe and asked Google "is kirkwood a cult ski area". Reply follows and note the reference to firsttracks.

AI Overview

Yes, Kirkwood is widely considered a "cult" ski area. Skiers and riders love its fiercely loyal community, rugged no-frills atmosphere, and legendary, steep freeride terrain. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]


Why it has a cult following:
  • Elite Terrain: Famous for features like "The Wall," it is packed with double-black chutes, cornices, and technical lines geared toward advanced and expert riders.
  • No-Frills Vibe: It favors pure skiing over a luxurious resort village. The atmosphere is more about chasing deep Sierra powder than sipping high-end cocktails.
  • "If You Know, You Know" Factor: Located a bit further from the main Tahoe crowds, it retains a tight-knit, local community feel that deters beginners and traditional tourists. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8]
Important details for visitors:
  • Elevation & Weather: Its high, exposed location traps great snow, but it is also highly susceptible to wind holds.
  • Infrastructure: The mountain utilizes a fair number of older, fixed-grip chairlifts compared to mega-resorts. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Before I retired Kirkwood was often my most skied area. I don't have complete records (may still have more on paper), but have these:
2003-04 Kirkwood 5 days, Sugar Bowl 4 days, total of 18 days
2005-06 Heavenly 14 days (on $299 pass), Kirkwood 3 days, total of 23
2008-09 Kirkwood 13 days (on $229 pass), Heavenly 2, Squaw Valley 2, total 21
2009-10 Kirkwood 15 days (on $299 pass), total 21
2010-11 Squaw Valley 25 days (on $369 pass), Sugar Bowl and Northstar 3 each, Mammoth 2, total of 38 - retired Jan 2011
2011-12 Heavenly 13 days & Northstar 10 on $359 pass, Kirkwood was added and open until 5/4 & I had 8 days, total 44
So, Kirkwood was my most skied area at least three years before retirement (twice on under $300 season passes) even though Heavenly is much closer to family SLT cabin. Besides having better snow and less crowds, as long as the Carson Spur just W of Kirkwood is open, it is more than 50 miles closer to home (which made for a few long daytrips) and has less traffic and generally better drivers in the snow that US-50 to So. Tahoe (or I-80 to Northstar, Palisades, etc). Heavenly is much harder to get to close to when they open (desirable for parking) when leaving pre-dawn from home - both 50 and 80 mean some traffic crossing Sacramento.

More recently I have the most days every season at Kirkwood, even though Vail often opens Kirkwood later in Fall than Heavenly or Northstar and often closes Kirkwood on same day or only a week or two longer. Kirkwood often runs lifts in all but the most powerful storms when avalanche danger and wind can force closure of lifts. Backside chair (and chair 2 getting to it) and Cornice get closed most by wind while The Wall and The Reut get closed more by avalanche danger. Heavenly closes lifts (Sky chair, and gondola that connects Stateline area to upper NV) due to wind far more often. Some more recent seasons:
2020-21 Kirkwood (which closed 4/11) 13 days and Heavenly 10 on $369 Tahoe Pass, total of 32 inc. 7 on next year's Ikon (5 Squaw, 2 Mammoth)
2021-22 Kirkwood 15 days inc. 5/1 closing, Heavenly 10 on $359 Tahoe Value, Mammoth 6, Palisades and Altabird 5 on $929 Ikon, total of 43
2022-23 Kirkwood 13 days inc. 5/12 (closed 5/14), Heavenly 6, Bachelor 6, Palisades and Mammoth 4 each inc. two@MM in late July, total 46
2023-24 Kirkwood 22 days, Heavenly 5, Altabird and Palisades 6 each, total 47
2024-25 Kirkwood 11, Heavenly, Palisades 8, Mammoth and Altabird 5 each, Copper 4, total 46
2025-26 Kirkwood 11 (6 in April), Heavenly 6, Banff/LL 5, Snowbird 4, Revelstoke and Sierra 3 each, Mammoth 4 in Dec. with more likely

Kirkwood used to be more of a cult place. Note sure if it was before I skied there or not, but I attended a 4th of July race in Kirkwood's Eagle Bowl in 1973 or 1974 on way to camping and water-skiing at Topaz Lake. They let us ride us chair 1 to get close to where race was held, but even though we were all in tennis shoes, we walked the rest of the way to race and all the way down to base, some on snow.

Before Vail bought them, they allowed overnight stays in parking lots. Then when Vail banned that, independent bar/restaurant 7800 (in base of old somewhat dilapidated hi-rise) that sells $4 beers allowed overnight RV parking in their lot for a year before it was stopped (by Vail?). This year they had a VanWood event in parking lots with $250 fee for three nights (benefited Boys & Girls Club of Lake Tahoe) and they got dumped on the last day.

Kirkwood used to be off-the-grid, making their own electricity with diesel generators that were located somewhat close to employee housing. I was there for both generator building fires which helped push them to connect to the grid although they still have very expensive electricity. Vail claimed credit for the connection even though it was residents that paid for it. See https://www.tahoedailytribune.com/news/kirkwood-grid-project-near-completion/ for details.

Some Kirkwood photos. First is the one I took of my son in early Dec. 2018 when Eagle Bowl opened for the season after 45" of new snow.
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Next is one he took of me Jan. 21 this season and my comment on post was "Almost looks like I'm skiing powder. Or at least it's Winter snow."
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Above photo was taken on a day when no new snow was predicted for weeks. Photo of son from same day. It was not that warm especially there.
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