Vermont Snow Updates 2010-11

icelanticskier":1ut02ks7 said:
spoken like true resort skiers whos season ends once yer lawns start turnin green. i like your very uni-dimensional outlook on rain on snow. if you only knew..... :mrgreen:

rog

Nope, you're wrong about this one. I don't believe this has anything to do with resort vs. bc. If it rains, what happens to the snow pack? It shrinks... If it's followed by cold weather, it becomes hard, if that's followed by a large storm then you have an unstable snowpack and avy issues...

You're idea that it sets up great corn I don't believe is correct either. If if rains a good amount of snow will turn to water and cease to exist as base. Much of the water will run off into the valley. That means a shorter season and less corn, no matter how you slice it. Rain doesn't just concentrate or condense the snowpack, it also eats away at it. It's simple physics.
 
Marc_C":3rqr0hei said:
J.Spin":3rqr0hei said:
As the forecast indicated, we’re back into the snow here in Northern Vermont.
Why no mention of the recent and highly significant rain and damaging wind event?

Maybe because it rained a couple inches all over NE and everyone is aware.
 
skimore":36gum78s said:
Marc_C":36gum78s said:
J.Spin":36gum78s said:
As the forecast indicated, we’re back into the snow here in Northern Vermont.
Why no mention of the recent and highly significant rain and damaging wind event?

Maybe because it rained a couple inches all over NE and everyone is aware.
You can say the same about most snow events and in a topic where seemingly each snowflake is described in detail it seems an odd omission. In particular the intense winds. Mt Mansfield clocking in at over 100mph is pretty significant and has implications for extensive forest damage.
 
Marc_C":xdo3g8tl said:
skimore":xdo3g8tl said:
Marc_C said:
Why no mention of the recent and highly significant rain and damaging wind event?

Maybe because it rained a couple inches all over NE and everyone is aware.
You can say the same about most snow events and in a topic where seemingly each snowflake is described in detail it seems an odd omission. In particular the intense winds. Mt Mansfield clocking in at over 100mph is pretty significant and has implications for extensive forest damage.
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I have to believe that most find it more useful to know that their was 6" of snow versus 1", but 1/2" or 1" of rain is going to equate to the same results on the current conditions
 
skimore":2e9jtl6l said:
and not sure the intense winds did much to the few boiler plate man made trails that are open
Recall the intense wind storm several years ago that heavily damaged the mid-elevation forest at MRG, which made many of the woods lines unskiable for the remainder of that season and much of the next. The snow is not necessarily the only casualty during unique weather.
 
Marc_C":aj01nqji said:
skimore":aj01nqji said:
and not sure the intense winds did much to the few boiler plate man made trails that are open
Recall the intense wind storm several years ago that heavily damaged the mid-elevation forest at MRG, which made many of the woods lines unskiable for the remainder of that season and much of the next. The snow is not necessarily the only casualty during unique weather.

Most here find jspins reports informative. I guess you need him to do a tree damage assessment
 
icelantic":2mszpdvy said:
rain also smooths out the snow and washes all of the old tracks away.
rain on snow is good tony.
I have seen this once, yielding very good corn snow in Baldy's South Bowl in January 1995. But 95+% of the time the effect of rain upon skiing is negative IMHO.

MarcC":2mszpdvy said:
Recall the intense wind storm several years ago that heavily damaged the mid-elevation forest at MRG, which made many of the woods lines unskiable for the remainder of that season and much of the next. The snow is not necessarily the only casualty during unique weather.
I believe that was an ice storm in 1998, another of the delightful anomalies of eastern weather that I have never seen out here. I do not believe that wind alone can do that level of damage though.
 
Tony Crocker":w7ha1elb said:
I believe that was an ice storm in 1998, another of the delightful anomalies of eastern weather that I have never seen out here. I do not believe that wind alone can do that level of damage though.

Talking about the 1998 as a simply anomaly simply downplayed the impact and damage this cause. It was an exception event which hadn't been seen in over one generation if not more.

Ice storm where people living in the rural part of Ottawa didn't have any electricity in 21 days. Many parts of south of Montreal were out for the same amount of time. A few weeks after that ice storm, there was indeed a wind storm that affected the high peaks in the Greens. The article doesn't mentioned in term of ski areas, but I remember that the ice storm affected many trees in the Gap between WF and Lake Placid and higher up the ski area were affected as well as places like Sutton and most of MRG. I know the wind affect and aggravated the situation of the trees at the top of MRG.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Amer ... rm_of_1998

Many power lines broke and over 1,000 pylons collapsed in chain reactions under the weight of the ice, leaving more than 4 million people without electricity, most of them in southern Quebec, western New Brunswick and Eastern Ontario, some of them for an entire month. At least twenty-five people died in the areas affected by the ice, primarily from hypothermia, according to Environment Canada.
(...)
The loss of electrical power also greatly affected pig and cattle farmers, as they could no longer provide water or adequate ventilation to their barns full of livestock, leading to the death of many animals. Many barns also collapsed under the weight of the ice, killing the animals trapped inside.

Millions of trees were brought down by the weight of ice around the affected areas. As many trees were damaged or fell by the heavy ice, the maple syrup and orchard regions suffered heavy blows and massive losses in the storm; Quebec's maple sugar industry, the largest in the world, was devastated. As another example, 5,000 trees in Montreal's Mount Royal Park had to be cut, 80% (140,000) of the rest were damaged to different degrees and had to be trimmed, a large number severely. The mountain park looked more like a logging camp than a nature oasis for many weeks.

Critically, about 1,000 steel electrical pylons (said, in Quebec, to be the most solid in the world) and 35,000 wooden utility poles were crushed and crumpled by the weight of the ice, further damaging power supply and hampering the return of electricity. Teams were brought in from places such as Prince Edward Island and Nova Scotia, along with teams from the United States and the Canadian Forces, to help restore power to affected homes in eastern Ontario and western Quebec.

Roughly 700,000 of Maine's 1.2 million residents were without electricity, the Maine National Guard was mobilized, and hundreds of utility crews from as far away as North Carolina arrived to help.

Three weeks after the end of the ice storm, there were still thousands of people without electricity. In Quebec alone, 150,000 persons were without electricity as of January 28. Estimates of material damages reached around $2 billion Canadian for Quebec alone. Overall estimates are around $4-6 billion US for all the areas affected. Damage to the power grid was so severe that major rebuilding, not repairing, of the electrical grid had to be undertaken.
 
rfarren":1tym6anl said:
icelanticskier":1tym6anl said:
spoken like true resort skiers whos season ends once yer lawns start turnin green. i like your very uni-dimensional outlook on rain on snow. if you only knew..... :mrgreen:

rog

Nope, you're wrong about this one. I don't believe this has anything to do with resort vs. bc. If it rains, what happens to the snow pack? It shrinks... If it's followed by cold weather, it becomes hard, if that's followed by a large storm then you have an unstable snowpack and avy issues...

You're idea that it sets up great corn I don't believe is correct either. If if rains a good amount of snow will turn to water and cease to exist as base. Much of the water will run off into the valley. That means a shorter season and less corn, no matter how you slice it. Rain doesn't just concentrate or condense the snowpack, it also eats away at it. It's simple physics.

believe what you will, but pardon me if i'm wrong. how many days do you spend in the high prezzies through june till july every year? you have no idea what i'm referring to when i speak of rain and how great the skiing becomes as a result. sure snow melts when it rains. i never said it didn't. the melting causes the old tracks and snow surfaces to become smooth in our high places. even if it doesn't freeze up, our snow stays good and supportive for days on end due to our consolidated snowpack.

oh, and thanx for the avi risk lesson, maybe i should go take my level 1. :lol:

with many of our high places loaded with up to 60+ feet deep of snow come spring, i'm not too worried about it melting from a bit of rain.

don't you have a restaurant review to write? or about how superior the pizza in new york is? learn me somethin would ya? :mrgreen:

rog
 
icelanticskier":mdwnws55 said:
don't you have a restaurant review to write? or about how superior the pizza in new york is? learn me somethin would ya? :mrgreen:

rog

Hey, I'm not the one going onto a ski forum saying how great rain is. Seriously, I love the optimism but you can only $hit spin so much before it is blatantly obvious you're full of it. Furthermore, your snobbish BC shtick and posts can be enough to make me wish I was illiterate.
 
I think that dismal weather back there is starting to get to y'all. You need to get skied, fast.
 
Admin":1j2ytqnx said:
I think that dismal weather back there is starting to get to y'all. You need to get skied, fast.
Good theory, but how do you explain King Of All Grumps, Marc C? 135 inches YTD hasn't made a difference in his disposition.
:x
 
jamesdeluxe":3jj01jh8 said:
Good theory, but how do you explain King Of All Grumps, Marc C? 135 inches YTD hasn't made a difference in his disposition.
:x

'Cuz I haven't seen him on the hill yet this season. 'Nuf said.
 
jamesdeluxe":21kxaj3z said:
Admin":21kxaj3z said:
I think that dismal weather back there is starting to get to y'all. You need to get skied, fast.
Good theory, but how do you explain King Of All Grumps, Marc C? 135 inches YTD hasn't made a difference in his disposition.
:x
It's a persona -Admin pays me to keep the board lively. Besides, so many of you are convinced that you're absolute experts that when someone disagrees with you, you get your panties all bunched into a knot.

And I have been out - 2 days so far. The hand recovery is going well according to my doctor and therapist, but not as fast as I had hoped. It's still difficult to hold a ski pole for an entire day (I get some numbness setting in after about 2 hrs.) and some other tasks present difficulties I was never aware of. They tell me to expect about another 2 months for full range of motion (I'm at 85-90%) and 6 months to regain full strength (currently at 60%).
 
Marc_C":1kpm7n9p said:
It's a persona -Admin pays me to keep the board lively. Besides, so many of you are convinced that you're absolute experts that when someone disagrees with you, you get your panties all bunched into a knot.

Where is that picture of you again so we could have a good laugh?

Marc_C":1kpm7n9p said:
And I have been out - 2 days so far. The hand recovery is going well according to my doctor and therapist, but not as fast as I had hoped. It's still difficult to hold a ski pole for an entire day (I get some numbness setting in after about 2 hrs.) and some other tasks present difficulties I was never aware of. They tell me to expect about another 2 months for full range of motion (I'm at 85-90%) and 6 months to regain full strength (currently at 60%).

Whimp. :-({|=

Geez, Lucky broke his hand/wrist and had it in a cast...forced off work for 6 weeks, because he couldn't carry boxes in the warehouse. He was at Smuggs almost everyday during that time, skiing with a sox over his cast skiing without a pole, trees on and off trail, bumps down FIS, jumping cliffs. :stir: What do you do? You bitch on the internet.
 
Stowe, VT 05DEC2010

By Sunday, enough snow had accumulated that we decided to head up to the higher elevations and check it out. Without much of a base, we didn’t expect the skiing to be too great, but it would be a good chance for Dylan to get on his skins and see how everything was working for him.

We first stopped in up at Bolton Valley, where accumulations appeared to be in the 2-3 inch range at the main base (~2,100’). I took a look around to see if any manmade snow had been put down outside the areas of current snowmaking operations, but didn’t see any on the lower mountain. A good amount of snow had been made in the Mighty Mite learning area, a fan gun was blowing snow above the lodge, and I could see at least one other gun going underneath the Mid Mountain Chair. The snow was certainly light and dry, and the powder had accumulated up to a foot in some areas. We hung out for a bit and let the boys play in the snow, then we headed off to Stowe to see if any ski options were available atop manmade base snow at Spruce Peak.

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As we drove toward Stowe, we could see that the valley snow accumulations were quite variable. We had an inch or two at our house on the Waterbury/Bolton line, and there was a bit less in the center of Waterbury. North of Colbyville however, the ground was bare, and between there and the Stowe’s Lower Village, there was only the occasional dusting visible on the ground. As Powderfreak had mentioned in one of his reports to Americanwx.com, we saw a sharp increase in snowfall amounts as one entered the center of Stowe, where they had picked up a fluffy few inches earlier that morning.

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Up at the mountain base, accumulations were similar to what we’d seen at Bolton, with roughly 2 to 3 inches on the ground at the Mount Mansfield Ski Club building. We were surprised to see that lift-served skiing was going on over at Spruce (Easy Street area), so we decided to skin up above that elevation and check out the options. We headed up toward the Sunny Spruce Quad, and found about 4 to 5 inches of fluff as we approached the top of East Run. The snow was definitely fluffy, so good turns could be had on grassy slopes, but beyond that it was sketchy. It was definitely rock ski/junkboard territory, although with all of the extra snow we’ve had in the past couple of days, that will be changing.

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We descended via East Run, and then hit a little bit of Side Street where snowmaking was taking place. The extra base from the snowmaking was appreciated, but the snow was a bit wet and sticky. Even though the natural snow was nice, the snow that Ty and I hit back in October was definitely better, so the skiing wasn’t up to that level. The trip was great introduction to skinning for Dylan though, we got to teach him various aspects of the technique, and he was happy to not have to use snowshoes.

J.Spin
 
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