Western U.S. Road Trip From A Swiss POV

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This skier from Zurich on the Alpinfans forum is posting reports from a two-month road trip (I ran the link through Google Translate) across the western U.S. armed with base Epic and Ikon Passes along with an Indy Pass. Here's where he started:
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So far he's been to China Peak, Dodge Ridge, Lee Canyon, Arizona Snowbowl, Sipapu, Santa Fe, Wolf Creek, Purgatory, Crested Butte, Powderhorn, Vail, Aspen, Sunlight, Loveland, and Eldora. The thread is subtitled "Coast2Coast USA" so we can assume that he'll also visit the East Coast and maybe the Midwest too.

It's always interesting to hear a foreigner's view of our ski areas and towns so I'm looking forward to the rest of the trip. Visitors from the ski-endowed Alps are sometimes snooty and judgmental but this guy seems to be describing this season's good, bad, and ugly (including the Telluride strike) in a balanced way.
 
He's driving an AWD rental that most likely has M+S rated tires. That is enough to get through most chain control as long as tires have some tread. I just flash four fingers at the Caltrans guy at the checkpoint, and they wave me through. If they ever ask if you have chains, you need to confidently say yes, whether you do or not and they will let you through. If you get stuck and do not have chains, you could be cited and fined. Not sure that rental car companies in US are as co-operative with possible chain control violation tickets as those in Europe are with speed cameras tickets.
 
US car rental companies are not very good at providing vehicles optimally equipped for winter mountain driving. Having either dedicated winter tires or chains would be appropriate in some locations.
 
With two months and a rental car, why on earth did he go through the Southwest and Colorado instead of up to Canada? I guess he had a family commitment to be in Santa Fe over New Year's Eve. At least he dumped SoCal from his plans!
It's always interesting to hear a foreigner's view of our ski areas and towns so I'm looking forward to the rest of the trip.
Yes, I like his commentary and pictures and will review in more detail when I get the time.

He's definitely trying to run up his ski area count. He must have skied the major Sierra areas some other time. He's even listing which lifts he skied. That's a stat so hard core I've never thought about tracking it.
 
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The thread is subtitled "Coast2Coast USA" so we can assume that he'll also visit the East Coast and maybe the Midwest too.
Given his choices, it feels like a combo of wanting to see some vistas and ignore any reality on the ground as to where the snow is. He's pretty hard set on which ski area on what day for the most part even if they literally have no snow. Very inflexible approach to any 2 month road trip IMO, which also seems very typical of germanic thinking.

Now that he has wasted a day at Eldora maybe he can hit Greek Peak at some point too, lol.
 
So far he's been to China Peak, Dodge Ridge, Lee Canyon, Arizona Snowbowl, Sipapu, Santa Fe, Wolf Creek, Purgatory, Crested Butte, Powderhorn, Vail, Aspen, Sunlight, Loveland, and Eldora.

China Peak and Dodge Ridge are areas I have ignored. Even though they are in California, they and Bear Valley are not accessible from Tahoe and involve two hour one-way drives from the Central Valley. When corporate ski areas shut down March 15, 2020 I headed for these still open areas, also chasing a 4-foot Sierra dump after about 6 weeks of drought. I got in some powder at China Peak on the last day before Newsom ordered all ski areas to close, and thus missed Dodge Ridge. Project101 guy thought China Peak was the more interesting of the two areas.

He said snow was good at Lee Canyon but old and beat up at Arizona Snowbowl. Arizona got way more snow in November but the Christmas Sierra storm did not get that far so it must have refreshed Lee Canyon.

I have no sympathy for his being in the Southwest at this time of year. He's an expert skier and commented (surprise!) about Taos:
  • Kachina, which probably serve the most challenging runs - and which unfortunately are currently not running...........
The area initially impresses with its chairlift, but then loses its appeal due to closed bowls, tree runs, and groomed slopes. In the end, we're not sure how good Taos really is; the runs are rather undemanding, and there's not enough snow for off-piste skiing.
This is the 11th year since Kachina chair was built. Its median opening date is Feb. 9 and earliest opening was Jan. 13.

Then there's Crested Butte:
After fortunately hitting a rope drop I enjoy a beautiful powder run down to the Gold Link lift. After two hours, we've pretty much exhausted the area: The front lifts to the base aren't particularly exciting, leaving us with the impression that Crested Butte is best enjoyed when the Double Diamonds are open.
In the past 20 years, the North Face lift has been open before January 1 twice and sometime during the first week of January 5 times.

If he wants to visit family in Santa Fe and ski on the same trip he should be doing that in March, not at New Year's.

He got somewhat lucky in the context of this season with the rest of Colorado. He was there during the week it snowed average 1.5 feet so surfaces were nice. It still astounds me how Aspen can open so much terrain including places like Temerity in low tide conditions. But he was very unlucky to have no Back Bowls open at Vail. Aspen was an outlier getting 29 inches that first week of January, second only to Steamboat's 34.

He's pretty hard set on which ski area on what day for the most part even if they literally have no snow.
James:
I'll ask him if that's his actual MO.
It's obvious to me that the highest priority is skiing places he has not been before, based upon skipping big areas in the Sierra with abundant new snow and he explicitly mentioned having skied the Summit County CO areas on another trip. Yet he managed to ski Loveland at 19% open. I love the comment he elicited about Eldora.
Eldora is more like Boulder's local mountain. It's nice enough, but nothing really big. There are definitely a few day-skiing areas like that in Ikon Pass, though. Snow Valley and Bear Mountain immediately come to mind in California
James, ask him if he's skied most of the places in western Canada already, since that was the way to chase better snow. You might want to quote those Kachina and North Face CB stats. He should understand that via the obvious analogy to Zermatt: very gradual accumulation of snow but superb preservation. How often could he expect to ski Hohtalli/Stockhorn off-piste in early January?

And what's his total ski area count, likely well beyond ours and approaching Jimmy Petterson/Arnie Wilson?

My upcoming solo road trip armed with Indy Pass and Powder Alliance along with Ikon has been intended to knock off a few places I have not skied before. But the ones in Oregon and some in the interior Northwest are not yet ready for prime time, so I may have to modify that plan.
 
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Our visit at Greek Peak was as good as it gets for a non-pow day in the northeast. Not a waste!
Absolutely and 100% makes sense for a regional local who was already passing through to have a fun 'local' day. But if he is skipping out on VT, NH, etc... to ski Greek Peak? That would make no sense; this isn't the alps with 'small' local areas with surprisingly big terrain and lots of vert.
 
This skier from Zurich on the Alpinfans forum is posting reports from a two-month road trip (I ran the link through Google Translate) across the western U.S. armed with base Epic and Ikon Passes along with an Indy Pass. Here's where he started:

There are both Alpin-fans and Alpinforum? Alpinforum is good for the Germanic Alps (Austria, Switzerland, South Tyrol, Germany), but France does not exist in its reporting. And reports with nearly 200-400 photos, and I'm wondering if a GoPro would have been more convenient for the skier reporter. (This mirrors my experience in the Alps, lots of French never ski the German-speaking Alps, and vice versa. Forget the Alpine Ridge as a dividing line, it's more the language well in the Swiss Cantons of Valais, Fribourg and Bern).

So far he's been to China Peak, Dodge Ridge, Lee Canyon, Arizona Snowbowl, Sipapu, Santa Fe, Wolf Creek, Purgatory, Crested Butte, Powderhorn, Vail, Aspen, Sunlight, Loveland, and Eldora. The thread is subtitled "Coast2Coast USA" so we can assume that he'll also visit the East Coast and maybe the Midwest too.

Oh my. What a weird trip if he is about to leave the West (maybe after a month?), to drive to the Midwest and East Coast. Half of his time in the West will be at resorts experiencing a once-in-a-generation high-temperature/low-snowfall combination. Pure insanity. Why bother reporting anything since it's just going to be awful; it's January, not super early or late season.

I can barely handle 50-100 cm snow base and only 60-90% open in Austria with little freeride. To me, those stats are reason to cancel a mid-season trip (expectations) and redesign everything.

Given his choices, it feels like a combo of wanting to see some vistas and ignore any reality on the ground as to where the snow is.

The entire Bay Area and he chose to visit Bodega Bay (usually fogged in except for winter) to see "The Birds" house. To me, it's always been a bit "Meh" - worth maybe a glance - on your way to Point Reyes or Mendocino.


Now that he has wasted a day at Eldora maybe he can hit Greek Peak at some point too, lol.

He will likely ski Greek Peak after 1.5 inches of Sleet and Freezing Rain, and observe that the glades or Olympian (now both closed) could have been fun if there was a Nor'easter or Lake Effect snow.

Although 10 out of 10 to stick with an insane ski plan no matter what the conditions on the ground might require for decent skiing.

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There are both Alpin-fans and Alpinforum?
I thought I mentioned it last season but maybe not. Alpinfans was started a few years ago by Swiss superposter Ski-Chrigel (120-140 days a season) who was permanently banned from Alpinforum because he criticized the webmaster/founder too many times. He started his own forum, which has several interesting features like this, where you can see where someone is skiing at the very moment and they often post "live as it happens" photos and descriptions. I believe that Alpinfans has picked off many posters from Alpinforum.

After years of knowing him online, I met Chrigel last March after we'd skied his home mountain Klewenalp along Lake Lucerne.

Alpinforum is good for the Germanic Alps (Austria, Switzerland, South Tyrol, Germany), but France does not exist in its reporting.
Alpinforum over the years has had many reports from francophone ski areas in France and Switzerland. 90% of the oddball joints that I've hit were because I read about them there.
 
I can barely handle 50-100 cm snow base and only 60-90% open in Austria with little freeride. To me, those stats are reason to cancel a mid-season trip (expectations) and redesign everything.
Yes, that's easy to do in the Alps. It's not a big deal to go west from Zurich if that's where the snow is, just as we drove east from Geneva in 2018 and 2019.

It's not so easy in vast western North America, but this guy has 2 months.
What a weird trip if he is about to leave the West (maybe after a month?), to drive to the Midwest and East Coast.
This year he would have been better off starting in the East. We don't know for sure that he's actually driving the car cross country, and if so when he plans to do that. I'd be tempted to ask these questions, but it makes much more sense for James to ask them in German. Feel free to credit me for the questions if you think they are too critical.
 
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