Eastern Molehills and Retro Areas

ChrisC saved me the trouble of responding. I did notice the $5 tasting sign that might be $50 in Napa though.
Fair enough but isn't that more or less the way France looks (or looked for decades) at California?
Yes, until the Judgment of Paris. This was the exact time frame (mid-1970's) that wine became one of my hobbies. At the time the British were the historical primary consumers of top end French wine and the British economy was a disaster. Thus prices were depressed and Traders Joe's had stacks of first growth Bordeaux for $16-$20 a bottle. The best bargain was 1967 La Mission Haut Brion for $10! The entrepreneur who founded Trader Joe's lived next to my parents and there were perhaps 18 stores back then, one in Santa Ana and all the others in L.A. County. I would buy a bottle or two here and there, along with competitive cabs from Napa. I had some of these wines long enough to bring them to Iron Blosam from 1996-2003 where we would do our own Bordeaux vs. Napa comparisons.

California (and also Chile) have multiple microclimates where an ideal can usually be found for every premium grape varietal from France and Italy. The Finger Lakes climate is way too harsh for grapes like Cabernet, Chardonnay and Pinot Noir. What is interesting to me about the overall region is that our Iron Blosam group has become fans of Canadian icewine from the Niagara peninsula. These are usually made from Vidal or Riesling grapes. In the reference above, 90% of Canadian icewine comes from the Niagara peninsula. Some icewine is made on the U.S side of Lake Erie and in Michigan but there is no mention of the Finger Lakes. As we know from flyover's comments about Lake Superior, the Great Lakes have a moderating influence upon summer temperatures, so the Niagara peninsula between two of them might be very favorable for some wine grapes. July temp ranges: Ithaca 84/62, Niagara-on-the-Lake 80/67.

James still makes a good point about France. In Napa we have done research, contacted wineries directly and made appointments for tastings. Sometimes you need to get on a mailing or subscription list to buy what you want. I'm not doing this so much now. It doesn't make sense to be buying current releases at my age for wines best consumed 10+ years in the future. I have enough from Napa vintages 2012-2016 for as many Iron Blosam weeks and other special events I can imagine.

When we were in Burgundy in 2024 I had no illusions that do-it-yourself was a viable option. We hired a guide for curated visits and tastings. This would be a true test of James' language skills if he could schmooze himself into any of these small boutique winemakers.
 
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ChrisC saved me the trouble of respondi
The roasts were snarky funny and the bullet points weren't inaccurate but also a sad "punching down," in both the wine and social sense. Like spending an inordinate amount of effort to goof on a small indie ski area in the northeast because it's not Whistler. I remember traveling through Napa/Sonoma in the early 90s with my French wife's family (ten years before Sideways skewered it) and them chortling about how the people there were cosplaying that they're in France.

This would be a true test of James' language skills if he could schmooze himself into any of these small boutique winemakers.
I don't have a grasp of viniculture vocabulary in English, let alone French; however, that can be quickly learned of course.

You should watch Back to Burgundy: a 2017 film about three siblings who reunite to run their family's ancestral winery after their father's death.
 
This I understand.

With regard to ski areas, this I do not understand. I'd get restless skiing the same area every day, even if it was AltaBird. Skiing only one of James' Tier2 eastern areas every day, no. And if the variety is a bunch of Tier 5 areas, that would not cut it either.

Given Harvey's role running NYSkiBlog, I see the logic of this project in the first year of retirement. I'll be interested in whether he expands his horizons in future seasons. Consider hitting the road for three months at mostly Indy Pass areas in western North America for example. This is what Lonnie did from 2021-2023.

I have never felt closer to Tony than I do at this moment! :icon-lol:

For me it's not the same thing every time. Every family owned ski area has a story.

"Time to Ski NY" will take at least three years. This is not about driving and checking off boxes. It's about real experiences.

After it's done, I'd like to drive to Bohemia. It may be a pipe dream, but that is what I am thinking, at this moment.
 
I'd like to drive to Bohemia.
When NASJA had its 2009 meeting in Lutsen, former admin's friends from Vermont Scott and Susan Staples drove from Vermont and hit Bohemia on the way. If you drive that far, you might as well keep going to Montana, which I'm quite sure would be Harvey's favorite western state.
 
With regard to ski areas, this I do not understand. I'd get restless skiing the same area every day, even if it was AltaBird.(...) I'll be interested in whether he expands his horizons in future seasons. Consider hitting the road for three months at mostly Indy Pass areas in western North America for example. This is what Lonnie did from 2021-2023.
"Time to Ski NY" will take at least three years. This is not about driving and checking off boxes. It's about real experiences.
Tony has come to terms with Patrick's project, which trades northern-hemisphere peak season quality and variety for a monthly streak. Maybe it's time for him to do the same with Harvey, who has made abundantly clear what he likes. I'd wager a considerable amount that a western North American Indy Pass tour is not on his to-do list. Some people at this stage of their lives are interested in getting out of their comfort zone; others are happy to stay there. A more reasonable proposition is for him to jump across the border to Quebec or head east to New England but even that might not be part of his plan for the upcoming seasons.

Personally, I'm looking forward to a report from Peek'n Peak (whoever came up with that name should be put in marketing jail). On The Snow claims that its average is 139 inches. Does that sound right given the location just east of Lake Erie or is a lack of orographic lift (400 verts) the limiting factor?

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Climate change hasn't affected it? The lake still freezes over as often as the old days?+

Lake Erie is so shallow, any decent winter is basically going to shut off the lake effect. And any winter that doesn't freeze the lake is so warm that there is likely very little snow that winter anyway.

If I recall one of the differences for Say Holiday Valley vs Peak and Peak is that the lake is very shallow in the western half so that freezes over first. and the eastern half near Buffalo is where the deeper parts are and takes longer to freeze over.
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Lake Erie is so shallow, any decent winter is basically going to shut off the lake effect. And any winter that doesn't freeze the lake is so warm that there is likely very little snow that winter anyway.
Thanks. Your home region is a bit closer to Lake Erie so you'd know that :icon-lol:. I grew up shoveling snow primarily from Lake Ontario so that was always my concern.

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Your home region is a bit closer to Lake Erie so you'd know that :icon-lol:.
Actually Horseheads is too far from either for lake effect and only gets like ~35-40" of snow per year.

I know that odd fact from going to Grad school at University at Buffalo and race coaching weekends at Holimont for a few years.

For everyone's reference, most years Erie freezes enough that the lake effect shuts off by Mid-Late January. So kinda the opposite of Colorado where late season is prime season.
 
Horseheads is too far from either for lake effect and only gets like ~35-40" of snow per year.
Makes sense. Syracuse averages 120 inches if memory serves. The biggest total in the Tug Hill Plateau was allegedly Montague NY (15 miles west of Snow Ridge ski area) in 1976-77 with 466 inches. As my grandfather used to say, "that'll put hair on your chest!"
 
After it's done, I'd like to drive to Bohemia. It may be a pipe dream, but that is what I am thinking, at this moment.
Harvey, when you get to your Bohemia season, for three reasons, you may want to consider a season pass. First, Bohemia season passes have always been, and hopefully always will be, ridiculously cheap, which means if you plan for ski Bohemia for more than one day it's cheaper to buy a season pass. Second, the website is a little unclear about this but it looks like on Saturdays, only season pass holders can ski before 2pm. (I don't think this was true in 2014, the last time I was there.) Third, Bohemia's season pass includes complimentary day tickets at several partner-resort molehills around the Upper Midwest/Great Lakes region that could, depending upon your route, be on your way out and/or back to NY, and might be worth a stop or even a bit of a detour with the right conditions. I know that Whitecap, The Porkies, and Marquette, for example, all get a decent amount of lake effect.


For that matter, as a PSA, anyone considering skiing more than a day at Bogus Basin, Great Divide, or Mt. Spokane, for example, might want to consider a Bohemia season pass. My wife and I bought Bohemia season passes last season with no intent to make the trek out to the Keweenaw. Instead, we used them at a couple of local-ish molehills and at Mt. Spokane.

According to the link above, passes will be for sale for several days at the end of November and beginning of December this winter. If memory serves, some other winters they have only been for sale for a day or two so you may have to pay careful attention to the calendar to be sure you can purchase a pass.
 
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Bohemia Pass situation is interesting. It's like 2020-21 when Liz got a Loveland Pass and skied 8 days on it, none of them at Loveland. I think Ski Cooper had something similar and they got kicked off Indy because of it. Indy has aggressively expanded its roster and dominates the space for secondary* ski areas now.

*Secondary is in regional context. In regions like the Alps and the Northwest these are often very worthwhile places on an absolute scale.
 
The biggest total in the Tug Hill Plateau was allegedly Montague NY (15 miles west of Snow Ridge ski area) in 1976-77 with 466 inches.
Almost as much as the 496 on top of Mt. Washington! How often does Lake Ontario freeze over? I would think more often than Lake Superior but that 1977 stat implies otherwise.
 
If you drive that far, you might as well keep going...
I could be at Alta faster than I could get to McCauley (when I lived in NJ), but I chose to go to McCauley.

...Montana, which I'm quite sure would be Harvey's favorite western state.
I am interested to hear your thoughts.

I'd wager a considerable amount that a western North American Indy Pass tour is not on his to-do list.
True.

A more reasonable proposition is for him to jump across the border to Quebec...
Yes. As soon as I am confident that we can come back. Post Trump.

Peek'n Peak (whoever came up with that name should be put in marketing jail)
Pekin started the hill, it was named after him.
 
I could be at Alta faster than I could get to McCauley (when I lived in NJ), but I chose to go to McCauley.
Great report and pix, especially the colors and lighting in this shot. You can't fake that northeastern flava.
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Montana, which I'm quite sure would be Harvey's favorite western state.
I am interested to hear your thoughts.
Actuarial projections :icon-lol:
 
I am interested to hear your thoughts [on Montana].
Similar low key, local-centric ambience as upstate NY, except on real mountains. :smileyvault-stirthepot:

Big Sky is the only exception to the above. Similarly Idaho excepting Sun Valley, and also eastern Washington. James, ChrisC and I have all had one week trips into this region with TRs posted on FTO.
 
The MWOPS site says that the record was 566 inches in 1968-69. Would more of that come from lake effect or wrap-around from nor'easters?
I'd say close to zero lake effect in that location. Mount Washington is a unique microclimate. I wonder how they can even measure snowfall when most of it arrives horizontally.

Does anyone know how much snow falls on the western side of the Adirondacks once they have some real elevation? Those are the only mountains close enough to a Great Lake with decent orographic uplift.
 
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