Alta/Snowbird, UT 4/5-6/2014

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Days 65-66: Another sleeper.

Saturday was a bit of a non-starter for me. I went up for the first two hours; groomers were fun, but I don't go to ski the groomers. Off-piste was still a bit chunky and stiff, so at 11:30 I headed down canyon to get done some other stuff that needed my attention. In all fairness, though, I heard that things improved considerably once it started snowing in the afternoon.

Saturday night about 3" fell, topped by another 5" of thick, dense snow on Sunday. We had planned to tour on Sunday, skinning/skiing Mt. Tuscarora and Mt. Wolverine before returning via Grizzly Gulch, but the cloud ceiling had dropped to about 9,500 feet and I was not comfortable heading out when I can't see any potential wind-loading above me. One first run out Backside and I was returning my skins and pack to the truck.

That run, however, was surprisingly good. The base never froze completely solid overnight, and the thick new snow was enough to fill in the tracks. And speaking of tracks, there was precisely one customer's and one patroller's heading out Backside when we went through the gate.

That happened again later that morning when we went through Keyhole:

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One set of tracks -- ski patrol's -- head into Keyhole at 11:35 a.m.!

I was shocked at how empty Alta was. At 10:45 a.m. we watched a stream of six chairs head up Collins -- four were empty, and two were carrying a single rider each.

After heading through Keyhole, Bobby Danger, AmyZ and I found rdwore and Paulie at Snowbird and we spent the remainder of Snowbird's day tooling around with them. Yes, it was busier over there -- Gadzoom, for example, actually had a liftline -- but there were still plenty of ways to sniff out untracked.

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Bobby showed me a mine tunnel at Snowbird that I never knew existed, which provided a perfect respite from increasing winds. (And no, it's not where the GPS data in the EXIF tag indicates that it is.)

I was shocked to learn that yesterday was the last day for the Rendezvous cafeteria at Snowbird. I understand cutting back as the season winds down, but it was just the first weekend in April and the restaurant was hardly empty. In the coming weeks that restaurant's closure will be a huge inconvenience to Snowbird's customers, who will now have only the Forklift (sit-down), the pizza counter and the General Grit's convenience store to choose from for lunch at Snowbird Center. Then again, I'd be even more pissed had I shelled out $1700 for a Jackson Hole season pass, for yesterday was their last day of operation, period.

Enough bitching, for the snow kept on coming, the skiing kept on getting better. Winds picked up from the northwest but they were tolerable. It was so good that we just kept repeating one certain run until Snowbird shut down at 4 p.m. It was so good that after taking the UTA back to Alta we squeezed in one last run on Collins before Alta closed at 4:30, and that run down Greeley Slot/Greeley Hill/North Greeley was absolutely the highlight of the day. By that point there was barely anyone left at Alta and we laid in virgin tracks all the way to the Transfer Tow. \:D/
 
Admin":300xer8n said:
Bobby showed me a mine tunnel at Snowbird that I never knew existed, which provided a perfect respite from increasing winds. (And no, it's not where the GPS data in the EXIF tag indicates that it is.)

According to an on-line EXIF viewer when given the url of the photo: There is no GPS info

Admin":300xer8n said:
I was shocked to learn that yesterday was the last day for the Rendezvous cafeteria at Snowbird. I understand cutting back as the season winds down, but it was just the first weekend in April and the restaurant was hardly empty. In the coming weeks that restaurant's closure will be a huge inconvenience to Snowbird's customers,...
Well that sucks.

Admin":300xer8n said:
Then again, I'd be even more pissed had I shelled out $1700 for a Jackson Hole season pass, for yesterday was their last day of operation, period.
Really??? Wow.
 
Marc_C":1hoa36fd said:
Admin":1hoa36fd said:
Bobby showed me a mine tunnel at Snowbird that I never knew existed, which provided a perfect respite from increasing winds. (And no, it's not where the GPS data in the EXIF tag indicates that it is.)

According to an on-line EXIF viewer when given the url of the photo: There is no GPS info

Were one to follow it back to Google Photos the EXIF data is actually shown there and even mapped. It is, however, wrong.

Marc_C":1hoa36fd said:
Admin":1hoa36fd said:
Then again, I'd be even more pissed had I shelled out $1700 for a Jackson Hole season pass, for yesterday was their last day of operation, period.
Really??? Wow.

http://www.jacksonhole.com/weather-snow-report.html

With a season total of nearly 500" and a 138-inch base still on the ground. No excuse.
 
Just talked to my boss who was out yesterday, and he said the same thing: shockingly empty with fresh lines in places that usually get tracked. He said it was like the only people there were tourists who didn't know Alta.


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Admin":3b8v475x said:
I'd be even more pissed had I shelled out $1700 for a Jackson Hole season pass, for yesterday was their last day of operation, period. With a season total of nearly 500" and a 138-inch base still on the ground. No excuse.
No day pass sales because Tony scared off all the spring destination skiers. :x
 
Marc_C":lwe0bq82 said:
Admin":lwe0bq82 said:
Then again, I'd be even more pissed had I shelled out $1700 for a Jackson Hole season pass, for yesterday was their last day of operation, period. With a season total of nearly 500" and a 138-inch base still on the ground. No excuse.
Really??? Wow.
Old news :-({|=
1) Jackson's realistic snowfall at the mid-mountain long term site is 397 inches, 115% of normal, which is a nice but far from spectacular season.
2) Jackson has always closed first weekend in April for as long I've been keeping track of such things (2+ decades). The people buying those $1700 passes knew exactly when Jackson would close. Jackson has plenty of company in closing first weekend of April, including many with better snow preservation: Crested Butte, Telluride, Taos, Wolf Creek, Whitefish, Red Mt., Whitewater. What do all of these places have in common? They are far from metro areas and depend on revenue mostly from destination skiers.

They started :dead horse: on this topic 2 weeks ago on Epic. The best summation was this:
People stop skiing in the spring. If you want things to change, find a way to convince people to come out in the spring instead of skiing dirt on Thanksgiving.
That says it all, a sorry commentary on the common sense quotient of the skiing masses.

Yes, I would rather struggle with the sludge in Jackson in April than ski the WROD in November.
 
Admin":3troj08k said:
Were one to follow it back to Google Photos the EXIF data is actually shown there and even mapped. It is, however, wrong.

Yep, EXIF geo location data claims you were exactly at the top of Wildcat lift at Alta, not even over at the Bird. Time to get a new GPS chip put in that phone, lol.
 
It usually gets it right. For once it got it wrong and I'm happy that it did.

(And it actually shows me precisely at the Keyhole gate above the top terminal of Wildcat, where the previous photo was taken.)
 
Tony Crocker":2yp2y5ej said:
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People stop skiing in the spring. If you want things to change, find a way to convince people to come out in the spring instead of skiing dirt on Thanksgiving.

That says it all, a sorry commentary on the common sense quotient of the skiing masses.

Yes, I would rather struggle with the sludge in Jackson in April than ski the WROD in November.

By late November, there's not much else to do outdoors except go skiing. Come March and April, there are many more options and ski conditions become less consistent. Once you get in the 50s and 60s down low, bike racks and drift boats start coming out. There are a lot of avid skiers who are just as passionate about other pursuits. When the menu gets bigger, they spread their time.

April is one of my favorite months of the year, I rode completely dry single track last night after a very nice weekend on the north side of Lone Peak:

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coldsmoke":3ad0d9g0 said:
April is one of my favorite months of the year, I rode completely dry single track last night after a very nice weekend on the north side of Lone Peak
I am a big fan of the multisport trips in spring also. I am fortunate to have access to Mammoth, where those trips continue into May, and sometimes June and July. Last year my June/July ski days were in Montana.
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coldsmoke":3ad0d9g0 said:
By late November, there's not much else to do outdoors except go skiing.
That is not a problem in SoCal. Still, we have taken extended non-ski vacations in November the past 3 years.

Would I ski the WROD in November if I lived somewhere else? Maybe, if it were very close by as with Patrick. But for the 2 hours each way drive to Big Bear I want to see at least half the mountain open. That threshold was barely cleared this entire dismal season in SoCal.
 
Tony Crocker":2j3qfad9 said:
coldsmoke":2j3qfad9 said:
By late November, there's not much else to do outdoors except go skiing.
That is not a problem in SoCal. Still, we have taken extended non-ski vacations in November the past 3 years.
Nor in Utah.
 
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