Europe 2025/26

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That first shot makes it look a walk in the park.

It is a short decent. Views and hype worse than reality. Not a BFD.

But many people having mental reckonings with their maker. Often It’s a slow go. Many people are holding up the descent line.

No one is in a hurry. People are courteous. Step by step.


I will dig up my early season 2006 pics (finally digitized everything into searchable photo shares).
Curious about snow and glacier levels.

2018 and 2025 were higher snow years by Feb 1st
 
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That first shot makes it look a walk in the park.
Found a marketing video that matches with the idea that the Arete is not that big a deal for someone not afraid of heights when there is enough snow and the wind isn't blowing. The video by an experienced guide also shows the stair climb that is the route to take the train back to Chamonix. He said people who ski red groomers and have some off-piste experience would do fine skiing the classic route.

Posted March 2020, by Dave Searle (from the UK originally)

Have also found trip report videos that show a very different experience on the Arete. One from a January trip, another later in the season when there were two tracks inside the ropeway, one on each side, but it was slow going at the top because the steeper part of the track was not packed down. In general, the people who go the slowest have crampons on, walk sideways, and have two hands on the rope line. Meanwhile the guide at the rear is walking in a regular manner while holding the rope. Sometimes people have only one pole and the guide is carrying their second pole, so it's easier to keep one hand on the rope line.

@Sbooker : shoot me a PM if you want links to the other videos I've found that I'm keeping for future reference.
 
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In general, the people who go the slowest have crampons on, walk sideways, and have two hands on the rope line.
I remember doing that some of the time in 2004. The guide in 2004 put me in the front of our line for that descent. There were 24 people on that trip. Vallee Blanche was not part of the original plan but some of us considered it a bucket list item so our travel escort arrange it last minute and spare only one if the two guides she had hired. Surprisingly there was not a big dispute over who wanted to do it most, and our group was mainly intermediate skiers. There were 3 young telemarkers who hired their own guide separately.
 
Sounds like a mess during the peak of school holidays. Amazing how many more variables there are to contend with in the alps vs us. Need snow but not too much snow, sun but not too much sun, cold temps low winds etc.
An excellent summary of the reasons we reserve only flight and car rental until a week or two before arrival.
 
No ski area does all that well with 2-4ft/50-125cm operationally.

Pacific West Coast are very challenged.

You have a group who knows how to ski Mammoth - so no one complains when for 10 days?? It did not open its alpine at Xmas/new years.

Thats really bad - patroller death or not - when you are the only ski resort in the USA with snow.

Tahoe was delayed over Christmas/NYeaes.

I have been sandwiched at Jackson Hole and Whistler quite a few times - heavy snow/wind up high, warm air and rain half way up.

I think Snowbird - someone was trapped longer than they skied in March/April.

Telluride/Vail/etc with 2 ft - good luck with Vail Pass or operations.

No ski resort runs smoothly with 2-3 ft. Maybe Japan because snowfall is localized, mountains more tame.
 
Amazing how many more variables there are to contend with in the alps vs us. Need snow but not too much snow, sun but not too much sun, cold temps low winds etc.
Sez the guy who just scored a fantastic trip. I realize that you had to move a number of chess pieces into place but as they say on The Sopranos, "oh, poor you!"
 
Sez the guy who just scored a fantastic trip. I realize that you had to move a number of chess pieces into place but as they say on The Sopranos, "oh, poor you!"
got very lucky! A few days later and it would have been a different story. I’ve had interlodge/canyon issues ruin a few days in LCC before so Chris’s point is fair but I still think on the whole there is more variability to the alps vs west. That article just mentioned resorts shutting due to crazy amounts of snow. But there are plenty of other things, like a total white out, and that could ruin a day over there. I think “more needs to go right” to hit a score like I did.
 
I still think on the whole there is more variability to the alps vs west. (...) But there are plenty of other things, like a total white out, and that could ruin a day over there. I think “more needs to go right” to hit a score like I did.
I won't contest the general point; however, as Tony has noted many times, you're able to move far more easily through the Alps and choose an appropriate ski area for a given day or week than in the very spread-out U.S. west. A favorite exhibit was the second week of March 2016 when I went with low-elevation Mythen (1,070m - 1,593m) an hour south of Zurich -- not conventional wisdom for stormchasing at that point of the season -- to avoid a likely whiteout at higher "more reliable" nearby areas.

The "far more variability" and "more needs to go right" parts in the Alps really come into play when you're locked into a specific location or resort (and I know that being 100% flexible isn't an option all the time). Just saying that I've gotten skunked out west numerous times. Not necessarily rain/freeze or whiteouts (except at Grand Targhee) but long droughts with unpleasant styrofoam snow. The first time I was in the Inland Empire (eastern WA and the ID panhandle), I got lucky and missed a really bad Pineapple Express -- it arrived the evening that I departed.
 
In 2003 and 2004 I was cat skiing at Island Lake a week after a Pineapple Express but fortunately it snowed enough before I arrived. This year they were skiing groomers there for 2 weeks after the Jan. 13-14 widespread rain.
Inland Empire (eastern WA and the ID panhandle)
areas are still bad now, which is why I’m skipping them. You can be flexible in western North America too, but it has to be a very long trip like I am on now. In the Alps you can do it even for one week as James has demonstrated.
 
The "far more variability" and "more needs to go right" parts in the Alps really come into play when you're locked into a specific location or resort (and I know that being 100% flexible isn't an option all the time).
^^ which is the situation with my upcoming trip. If the Indy Pass tail weren't wagging the dog, there'd be a) $800 in lift tickets for the two of us, b) more driving, c) additional lodging changes (trying to minimize all of the above).
 
To give a very brief summary of some Euro skiing:

Stayed in the Western Alps after Engelberg

Gstaad - Skied 4 areas in one day. Overall, really liked it, not crowded, one of the best lower elevation ski resorts. Most similar to Colorado:
  • Eggli/La Videmanette
  • Wispile
  • Wasserngrat
  • Rinderberg/Saanerslochgrat/Horneggli
Les Contamines (AM) & Megeve (PM) - Same ticket. Les Contamines is likely the best all-around mountain in Chamonix since it faces N/S/E/W.

La Grave - Excellent-to-too much snow. Great skiing, but missed some great lines due to safety. Doesn't matter much in such an iconic area.

Les Arcs (AM) & Ste. Foy (PM).
  • Les Arcs. Bought a 4-hour ticket and skied Villaroger (new gondola and Arcs 2000 and 7k vertical runs).
  • Ste. Foy. I wanted to like this place so much, but it was a bit awkward: parking, lift tickets, chalet/condo development, heavily regulated off-piste, and the best lift is an old fixed-grip. Still very good

Val d'Isere/Tignes. Just always dependably excellent. Some new, some favorites.

La Clusaz. Likely a (the?) new favorite in the Geneva-Chamonix region. Stormy day with heavier snow, almost Northwest USA-like, but 3 major sectors/areas with great terrain. Still reasonably priced, authentic, and great terrain.
 
Sounds like a great trip. How many lodging changes did you have?

Gstaad - Skied 4 areas in one day. Overall, really liked it, not crowded, one of the best lower elevation ski resorts. Most similar to Colorado:
Tony's head exploded whenever I even brought up Gstaad as "under consideration if conditions warrant." That ^^ was the general opinion from the German forums.

La Clusaz. Likely a (the?) new favorite in the Geneva-Chamonix region. (...) 3 major sectors/areas with great terrain. Still reasonably priced, authentic, and great terrain.
Agreed, we really liked La Clusaz as well as its more intermediate neighbor Grand Bornand. The ongoing complaint about Clusaz from many Euro/Brit destination skiers is "old, slow lifts" -- have they replaced any of them? I can't imagine that they've even considered touching the iconic Torchère platter on La Balme.

Les Contamines (AM) & Megeve (PM) - Same ticket. Les Contamines is likely the best all-around mountain in Chamonix since it faces N/S/E/W.
Sounds like you had conditions similar to our excellent first visit to Megève. I haven't read anything lately about connecting it with Les Contamines across the Mont Joly ridge so I guess they've given up.
 
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