Alta/Snowbird, UT 2/27/08

[q]

I come on here for sensible, reasoned and informative debate, chat and at times argument although I would always feel it is fair and never more than fact or sensible opinion.

TGR is one of the best sites for pictures and TR's but if you want sensible informed and reasoned discussion then sorry dont waste your time. I am well aware that my trips are off centre but I'd never dream of wasting a minute of my life telling anyone on there about it even on my days in the intrnational resorts.

Last week by far and away the best Tahoe resort was Granlibakken. Tony et al! Maybe i am not wrong :lol: :wink:

I did wonder about the pics and the angle but I did not feel the urge to start an arguement and that is why I stick to forums like this and Coloradoskihistory.com for proper information.

Keep it up and please, do everyone a favour and keep it to other sites.

Q.

 

[Admin]

BS has been called on those photos:
http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114683
:lol:

I normally avoid that board like the plague, but thanks, Skidog, for the free entertainment. :wink:

 

[jamesdeluxe]

A total meltdown... Skidog's earned my respect for not deleting that thread.

Next time I'm in Utah, the 3.2 beer's on me.

 

[Admin]

Next time I'm in Utah, the 3.2 beer's on me.

4.0, actually, to be precise. Unless he sends you to the State Liquor Store for the "strong beer". Then again, this is the guy who was swilling (choice of verb intentional) PBRs yesterday apres-ski. That stuff's like sex in a canoe.

And one thing those rad dudes over there haven't a clue about is how something can get steeper with more snow. Wind load a cornice and see what happens. Not that there was a true cornice there yesterday, mind you, but all the snow blowing off Baldy's summit (that bare scree received the same 500 inches so far this year that the rest of Alta did) has to go somewhere, and it ends up on the leeward side of Baldy, including Baldy Chutes. In summer, the top of Main Chute is actually a teacup-shaped hole. Right now those first few turns are considerably steeper than the rest of the run.

They did get one thing right, though. Main Chute isn't really that big a deal. As I said early on in this topic it's not so much the pitch as the exposure. If you're comfortable with exposure it's not that intimidating, and is considerably less so from above than it looks from below. The first time I skied it I had the willies. The second time, too. Less and less each time such that now it didn't bother me at all to drop in yesterday.

Little Chute, by contrast, still intimidates the hell out of me. The DFU factor there is significantly greater, and because it doesn't run straight a fall virtually guarantees a pinball off the rock walls or a slide over a precipice. One day I'll bag it, and thought about it yesterday before I put my tail between my legs and pushed on over to Main. Dogleg, another of the Baldy Chutes involves a sidehill that if you blow it you'll slide over the edge of what, Marc_C, a 60-footer? Aside from Little and Dogleg I can't imagine what in-bounds lines at Alta the maggots were claiming are more hairball than Main.

 

[Admin]

When they require mandatory airs like Corbet's, I usually take a pass.

Ditto. One of my favorite Marc_C lines is, "I like terra firma. The more firma, the less terra."

(Another one, for the record, came when he arrived unexpectedly atop a cliff band in the woods. You couldn't quite see the cliff band yet, but it was obvious something was amiss. "I'm not liking the looks of that," he said. "Too much Y, not enough X.")

 

[Admin]

They did get one thing right, though. Main Chute isn't really that big a deal. As I said early on in this topic it's not so much the pitch as the exposure. If you're comfortable with exposure it's not that intimidating, and is considerably less so from above than it looks from below. The first time I skied it I had the willies. The second time, too. Less and less each time such that now it didn't bother me at all to drop in yesterday.

Little Chute, by contrast, still intimidates the hell out of me. The DFU factor there is significantly greater, and because it doesn't run straight a fall virtually guarantees a pinball off the rock walls or a slide over a precipice. One day I'll bag it, and thought about it yesterday before I put my tail between my legs and pushed on over to Main. Dogleg, another of the Baldy Chutes involves a sidehill that if you blow it you'll slide over the edge of what, Marc_C, a 60-footer? Aside from Little and Dogleg I can't imagine what in-bounds lines at Alta the maggots were claiming are more hairball than Main.

I figured that I'd add a visual aid:

 

[Marc_C]

Dogleg, another of the Baldy Chutes involves a sidehill that if you blow it you'll slide over the edge of what, Marc_C, a 60-footer?

At least; probably more on the order of 80, depending on what line gravity takes you. The exposed rib is significantly longer, but a body would probably bounce left or right rather than falling the entire length (on the order of 400'). In any case, maiming is definite, death distinctly possible.

I figured that I'd add a visual aid:

I totally disagree with that photo. The yellow line, color coded as Dogleg, is just the more hairball Shoulder line. Dogleg Chute isn't visible in that photo; it starts about 1/3 of the way down Little and is skier's right of Little. Entry is gained by a right traverse above the 60' - 80' cliff mentioned earlier.

 

[Admin]

Crap! Here all this time I've been referencing the wrong thing. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[kingslug]

TGR: Where no good post will go unpunished.............

 

[andyzee]

What a crock of shit. I didn't bother reading the whole thread here and at TGR. Appears to be a question as to what angle the camera was held at, who cares. We all know it's a good challanging chute that requires a bit of effort to get to. We're all skiers that should just appreciate when a fellow skier has a good day. That's it, rant over.

 

[SoCal Rider]

It often seems to me that TGR's forums exist to facilitate pissing matches. Sometimes, they are funny, other time insufferable. That and the whole aggro-skier/rider jock mentality over there is a turnoff for me. (Obviously not every poster fits that bill.)

 

[Marc_C]

What a crock of [censored]. I didn't bother reading the whole thread here and at TGR. Appears to be a question as to what angle the camera was held at, who cares. We all know it's a good challanging chute that requires a bit of effort to get to. We're all skiers that should just appreciate when a fellow skier has a good day.

Therein lies the difference between the two fora. Here we're mostly discussing the steepness and what skiing the chute is like and acknowledge that yeah, there's some camera tilt* that makes it look a little steeper than it is and someone contemplating a descent should take that into account. Over on TGR, the camera angle became the major point of contention and the populace there will shit all over you for that.

*: having photographed in Main Chute before, it's actually pretty difficult to hold the camera level, when looking down into a steep chute, shooting people who are justifiably reluctant to stop in those first turns, wile perched on a steep slope, with rocks below and off your exposed left side. I have my share of tilted pics, too.

 

[Sharon]

IMO, TGR is full of a bunch of little boys. Prolly why Skidog keeps posting there. :roll:

 

[ChrisC]

You can level photos using Picasa pretty easy - 3 secs.

I redid one of Marcs. I used the mountains in the background as horizon to level the photo.

 

[Skidog]

IMO, TGR is full of a bunch of little boys. Prolly why Skidog keeps posting there. :roll:

Ouch...nice....

we'll see....im seeing Sharons "true" colors now.

M

 

[Skidog]

You can level photos using Picasa pretty easy - 3 secs.

I redid one of Marcs. I used the mountains in the background as horizon to level the photo.

WOW now it REALLY looks like a green circle...no wonder they slammed me HA...PAHLEASE...

Its too EASY to troll over there....you can work them up like a horny schoolboy on his way to the whorehouse.

M

 

[ChrisC]

Re: comparisions...the only two other runs I can reference are JH Corbet's and the Palisades at Squaw...when I was at JH, there wasn't much snowpack and Corbet's was just too gnarly for me to drop 20 ft onto hardpack as a mere noob...Palisades appears a little less initimating than Main Chute since there's only that brief steep pitch (100 ft. vert?) after dropping in, afterwhich you run out into a large bowl...not having skied Main Chute, while very difficult, it would seem to be not quite as nasty as Corbet's...thoughts??

I have some photos of these. I try to document some steeper lines. For official runs on the map, they are among the steepest. But you can always find steeper lines - esp if a cliffis included.

Pallisades - Main Chute

Corbet's Couloir

 

[ChrisC]

You can level photos using Picasa pretty easy - 3 secs.

I redid one of Marcs. I used the mountains in the background as horizon to level the photo.

WOW now it REALLY looks like a green circle...no wonder they slammed me HA...PAHLEASE...

Its too EASY to troll over there....you can work them up like a horny schoolboy on his way to the whorehouse.

M

I just went and read the TGR forum. I am pretty impressed that you were able to dominate their attention for 24 hours - but it was more about the follow up than the pic. To quote a maggot:

I just knew what was going to happen. You'd take a few ribbings for the angled shot, and maybe a few people would say 'hey nice job, thanks for posting a picture'. But then you completely and totally dissolved into a total JONG douche...giving everyone else more ammo to diss you. You did this to yo'self, foo!

 

[Sharon]

Skidog wrote:

Its too EASY to troll over there....you can work them up like a horny schoolboy on his way to the whorehouse.

ChrisC wrote:


I just went and read the TGR forum. I am pretty impressed that you were able to dominate their attention for 24 hours - but it was more about the follow up than the pic. To quote a maggot:

Quote:
I just knew what was going to happen. You'd take a few ribbings for the angled shot, and maybe a few people would say 'hey nice job, thanks for posting a picture'. But then you completely and totally dissolved into a total JONG douche...giving everyone else more ammo to diss you. You did this to yo'self, foo!

Dudes, this is what I'm talkin about!! A bunch of little boys!

 

[Marc_C]

Corbetts Couloir

Every time I see photos of that, I know that I can do it....if it weren't for that funky entrance! :shock: